Is global warming a hoax?

[4rcane]

Most people don't deny there is global warming. The split only occurs when you start blaming humans as the cause. If your poll question was to ask are humans LARGELY responsible for global warming or if you ask are you concerned that the earth will warm up 1C in 100 years, then you'll get a different result

[dots]

Global warming is a serious problem which the entire world is facing.
For years various countries have been polluting the earth with chemicals
which depletes the ozone layer. As the ozone layer depletes, global temperature
increases.

I think it's most definately not a hoax and it is a serious problem in which
the world is facing. There are concrete evidence showing that the ozone
layer above the polar ice caps are getting thinner and thinner. This results
in the temperature increasing at the ice caps and Some of the ice melting.
The melting of the ice increases sea level. Surprisingly global warming does
certainly mean that temperatures will increase. In some areas of the earth,
temperature actually decreases.

[jfuh]

Do you think global warming is a hoax? If so what evidence do you claim against it. If you think it isn't a hoax, what evidence do you have for it?

[TaronWarrior]

I'll believe in global warming when I get tan. Then you know something's really up. :D

[KidSteel]

Provided we are talking about the role of humanity in the global warming, I can give an account of some arguments against a greenhouse effect I came across when surfing the intarweb:

- climatic ups and downs have always been in earth history
- the global warming in the last decades is not significant and the increasing ratio of CO2 in the atmosphere is not correlated with this warming
- only 3,5% of the CO2 that gets into the atmosphere is human-made, the rest is a natural product of evaporating sea water, decaying organic matter and the breathing of animals and plants.
- climate models are too complex to consider all possible influences
- the gathering of climatic data started not long ago, therefore not enough data available
- most meter stations are in built-up areas, which affects the measuring with the "urban heat island effect"

Links:
http://www.john-daly.com/
http://www.greeningearthsociety.org/

To clarify: i neither support nor deny these arguments, I just state them here (I know too little about the subject to give a valid opinion).

@jasperz87: I don't think the depletion of the ozon layer has an influence on the global warming. In fact, it is the other way around: global warming is furthering the development of a hole at the pole caps, because global warming decreases the temperature in the stratosphere and this in turn furthers the development of ozone-destroying chlorine radicals.

[gjc170]

I should think Nature is able maintain homeostasis with and balance
whatever greenhouse gases that the Earth and wildlife produce.
But at the rate that man, developed and developing countries alike, is producing
these same greenhouse gases; combined with deforestation and the
disappearance of the rainforests, Mother Nature does not stand a chance.
There has undoubtedly been an imbalace for many years and there
is no denying man's dependence on non-renewable fossil fuels.

[Bubblemonkey]

Global Warming is real, but whether we're to blame is another matter. Was doing a little research (not a lot...too lazy), and found two sites for (http://www.ucsusa.org/global_environment/global_warming/index.cfm) and against (http://www.globalwarming.org/article.php?uid=65) the idea that we're responsible for the global warming. I personnally think all the crap we're sending into the atmosphere probably isn't helping things, but it's probably (for the most part) part of the earth's natural warming/cooling cycle. The crap we do probably just speeds things up enough to make it noticable.

[Tigerofthewind]

What kind of question is that? Man that's just a stupid question in my opinion. Of course it's real. Have you noticed the increase in temperatures, more extreme weather conditions and the melting of the polar icecaps? Where I live it doesn't snow anymore in the winter while maybe 6 years back we would get up to a foot of snow.

[JtJin]

Sure it's real, there should be more effort to avoid and alleviate the consequence of all those years of industrial pollution : ( ... sadly, I'm starting to think that we are fast approaching the point of no return, when it would be too late to reverse the damage in time to stop all the effects from happening.

As an aside, a previous poster mentioned ozone. I'm not sure about this, but I don't think it's ozone depletion that's causing global warming, it's other pollutants in the air that do (chemicals that reflect/absorb ambient heat coming from the earth and direct it back instead of releasing it into outer space). Ozone's function is to absorb ultraviolet radiation from the sun before it reaches the surface. Of course, ozone depletion is also a big problem, but not entirely related to global warming ^^;

[dragon001]

i think the world needs to take look a the problem of global warming before it's to late

[zerebubuth]

probably but not necessarily

[MaliceKnight]

Of Course.................
It sure is a real problem, and it will only increase in severity because we keep farting :D , with the population increasing, it increases the amount of farters, which increases global warming problems
Actually, the problem isn't directly us, its the cows and various other livestock that we raise. Cow farts are one of the leading suppliers of green house gases... at least that's what we were told in my oceanography class last semester.

[Cellsaga]

Of Course.................
It sure is a real problem, and it will only increase in severity because we keep farting :D , with the population increasing, it increases the amount of farters, which increases global warming problems

[turtlerad17]

no, there is too much proof out there that it is a prob, and there is still so much we need to understand about it... :(

[Mai Tokiha]

It's certainly not a hoax, even if especially the Bush government likes to pretend it would be (together with playing down some other environmental problems).

[chompy]

NO. it is no hoax. we truly are f*cking up our environment. anyone who has any idea about how dominance and progression works know that rapid growth ALWAYS leads to catastophe and complete crashing back down to earth. biologically, this means extiction.

the problem is for humanity.

we'll die, the earth won't (remember pre-oceans? lotsa sulphur and nitrous oxides floting around then :p or howsabout the cataclysms that happen every so often?) we cannot deal with the pollution, the lack of freshwater, resources, land etc.

humans...

(here's where i get philosophical on your ass)

are not adaptable.

you gets?

other animals are FAR more adaptable than humans.

we do not bend to fit the needs of our environment. we simply change our environment to fit our (evolving) needs.

this is our OWN demise, not the earths we are bringing.

meh...:p

good riddance i say :D. the earth and ALL the animals are far far FAR better off without us.

hopefully it will be soon. it would be great to witness the final moments of humanity...

and NO there is really nothing you can do to stop it. it is inevitable, and greatly welcomed by the universe :D

[Paranoia]

We will never manage to make all life on eart extinct, though we will. sooner or later, manage to make ourselves extinct.

Humans evolve to slow to actually adapt to drastic changes in the environment, but I don't actually think we will die out because of global heating. (Though if antarctica melts, there might be quite a little less breathing space)

Our end is more likely to be the stupidity of making more and more powerful weapons, and beeing overly willing to use them. Either that or the well-tested meteorite strike.

[Desmonthes]

it really becomes hotter where i live, and so far as the media all over the world, so it's not a hoax

[kenshinchong]

No, it's not a hoax... I'm surprised to have came across books that argue that some effects of global warming is good. But the overall effect? It's still causing the environment harm.

I agree that global warming is an inevitable result of industrialisation... But I think the world has to take responsibility of causing the harm, or else the human population will continue to suffer.

[Michel000]

i think there is such a thing as global warming but i don't think taht it's fulling mankind's fault
and i beleve that the enviroment isn't "harmed" but merely changed

(btw it's getting hot here to.... oh no that's right i farted :p)

[rasmy]

There's also another main reason of global warming : the sun...
Solar activities increase these last years (since 1900), solar activities interfere with the amount of cosmic radiation that reaches the atmosphere of the Earth. Then there will be also a corresponding reduction in cloud formation and therefore less precipitation.
Earth's history is a succession of cold/warm era.
Our sun is a variable star...so coming soon : ICE AGE...

[KeiQJeff]

Yes, I believe in global warming. However, don't you think that land will just detolerate as the ocean rises?

I'm not sure if we'll hit the ice age because of it. It's more likely we'll have more ocean surfaces and less land... or no land. :rolleyes:

[rasmy]

Yes, I believe in global warming. However, don't you think that land will just detolerate as the ocean rises?

I'm not sure if we'll hit the ice age because of it. It's more likely we'll have more ocean surfaces and less land... or no land. :rolleyes:
Remake of Waterworld ? lol
What I learn in Thermodynamics is water's quantity is always constant in your planet, perhaps it will change, i dunno...
Before we'll have more ocean, we can have more water in your air like tropical climate.
Ice Age is cooming soon ^^ in thousand (or millions) years , but it's nothing compared to Earth's age ;)
(I've always dreamed of saying that like teachers :cool: )

[Masaru05]

Yeah, I believe in Global Warming, but not going to care if it's a little hotter and more ocean water.

The change will be too insignificant within our lifetimes to matter...

[KidSteel]

Regardless of the greehouse effect being a hoax or not, humanity should assume the worst and act accordingly. It's kind of hard to fix it after coming full into effect. And besides, CO2 containing emissions may not only be responsible for global warming, but have also some other quite negative effects ... :p

[ShadowTemplar]

in the northern regions of Canada the temp. is up 13 degrees Celceus. and IS damaging the numbers of wildlife in a negitive way. Granted this still falls in the range of natural flux. but it's happening extremely fast, just since the early 90's.

[Kalis]

I think the question should of been "is the greenhouse effect a hoax?" rather than "is global warming a hoax?" :)

The world is clearly getting warmer.
However, the greenhouse effect is debatable. This is all just theory to me (I haven't done much research on this topic), but the world goes through different stages all the time. For example, We know there were "ice age(s)" in the earth's history. http://pubs.usgs.gov/gip/ice_age/ice_age.pdf
Who's to say this isn't just due to a global climate shift? After all, we've never understood why they occur.
Similarly, think of how hot the earth was during the age of the dinosaurs. By those standards, the earth is really cold right now!

I suspect that the greenhouse effect is real though, and global warming is (directly or indirectly) due to us. It seems to me that the world is getting warmer at an incredibly fast rate (for the earth anyways).

[mjoolnir]

I think global warming is real, though I think we will have terraformed most of the planets by the time it gets here, and most likely traveled out of our solar system, maybe even the galaxy, and found a new planet to live on.

[DarkDweller]

I dont think its a hoax just look at the increase on people with skin cancer and the ice at the poles that are melting and all nope defenitly not a hoax

[Neo Zeed]

For whatever it's worth... global warming reports are being doctored! (http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/science/06/11/climate.official.resigns.ap/index.html)

[Bubblemonkey]

Wow. This thing is back from the dead.

Which reports and doctored by whom?

EDIT: Nvm. Didn't notice it was a link :p.

[Nvis]

It's a real and serious problem that has been growing.

[chompy]

^_^


NO. it is no hoax. we truly are f*cking up our environment. anyone who has any idea about how dominance and progression works know that rapid growth ALWAYS leads to catastophe and complete crashing back down to earth. biologically, this means extiction.

the problem is for humanity.

we'll die, the earth won't (remember pre-oceans? lotsa sulphur and nitrous oxides floting around then images/smilies/tongue.gif or howsabout the cataclysms that happen every so often?) we cannot deal with the pollution, the lack of freshwater, resources, land etc.

humans...

(here's where i get philosophical on your ass)

are not adaptable.

you gets?

other animals are FAR more adaptable than humans.

we do not bend to fit the needs of our environment. we simply change our environment to fit our (evolving) needs.

this is our OWN demise, not the earths we are bringing.

meh...images/smilies/tongue.gif

good riddance i say images/smilies/biggrin.gif. the earth and ALL the animals are far far FAR better off without us.

hopefully it will be soon. it would be great to witness the final moments of humanity...

and NO there is really nothing you can do to stop it. it is inevitable, and greatly welcomed by the universe images/smilies/biggrin.gif

ya know...there's alot of sense in that chompy. thanks ^^

[Rigby]

Global warming is defintely not a hoax. That is really all that can be said. There are so many heat sources that it would defy physics and chemistry if global warming is not true. Expect huge die offs of people starting 3 or 4 years from now.

[Bubblemonkey]

^_^ ya know...there's alot of sense in that chompy. thanks ^^
Hahaha. True, true, but you failed to realize something. Without humans, there can be no Krispy Kreme donuts, and a world without Krispy Kreme donuts is a world that might as well be dead :p .


Expect huge die offs of people starting 3 or 4 years from now.

Uh, wow. Pessimistic much?

[Dreamerdgh]

Hmmm, global warming to Crispy creme doughnuts, this thread is better than a Anime. Global Warming and Global cooling are natural proccesses that the earth has seen many time in the past, and will continure to see into the future. We are accelerating the global warming proccess, and may even cause our own demise because of it.

[BSG Lilith]

Hoax or not, there is no serious problem. Though people may act slightly melodramatic, it's not something to be concerned over. At most the weather will get warmer and the oceans level will raise an inch or two. The prospect of all this does not bother me in the slightest.
But to answer the question, I do believe it is a hoax used to scare people.

[jfuh]

Hoax or not, there is no serious problem. Though people may act slightly melodramatic, it's not something to be concerned over. At most the weather will get warmer and the oceans level will raise an inch or two. The prospect of all this does not bother me in the slightest.
But to answer the question, I do believe it is a hoax used to scare people.
Then you are obviously not looking at the science that prooves of Global warming.

[sanchowbow]

LOL, it probably doesnt bother him because it wont really affect his generation.. (who cares, ill be dead before that happens xD) well, global warming and other problems like that occur probably because people think like that? they want to believe its a hoax to stop themselves from worrying...? i dunno i personally believe that it would probably bring doom to earth sooner or later xD

[hirotaka]

i want more sun blockage. i am melting/burning up.
i cant expose my left arm to the sun for long anymore. so sad.

[Serfius]

I believe in Global warming because this summer was ALOT hotter than last summer.

[Zefiriss]

Global WARMING? That's a hoax. No evidence supports that theory. No evidence whatsoever other than temperature data that is not representative because the stations that meansure the heat are within cities - which grow more hot simply because of all the excess warmth. More people = more body warmth, more warmth of cooking, lighting the city, more cars, more machinery in general, and so on. THe few temperature measurement stations outside cities have not noticed ANY warming of statistical relevance(means that it cools down too, warms up again, and so on). And all that date is meansured over... 180 years, which is REALLY REALLY reliable in the first place. Yeeeeeeaah.

We had a miniature ice age a couple hundred years ago as well, you know? It caused quite a lot of trouble, including massive starvation in Japan.
NOONE knows if in the case that the world WOULD grew warmer, it would be because of us or because of other factors. As said, just refer to that mini-iceage XD

Sure, maybe one of the poles will start melting. As it has several times before. Sure, some areas get hotter(and some actually grow more cold), but that, too, is variance.


All of that doesn't mean that blowing a lot of crap into the air is right or good - far from it. We have NO IDEA what that does(and sane people don't eat something they have no clue about what it is, right?), if it causes global warmth, cold, or whatever. It probably does change the climate in one way or another, but beyond that - noone knows. But global warming? A pure myth. So far, there has not been any evidence for it. There is no need for evidence AGAINST it, since you need evidence for the theory in general to make it applyable, and the evidence for global warming has been negated over and over again.

[Shadowpanther]

global warming is not a hoax. Warming is a natural thing in the life of earth. But humans put global warming into high speed. That's the problem. But when OIL is run out and gasses are up then will we think of other solutions....

[Firestrike009]

Some wise guy said nce: "There's nothing you can state that I can't simply deny" which shows us that just because something is real and the truth, it won't be accepted by everyone.

So far global warming has proved itself to be true. When I was a little kid, I could built snowcastles higher than myself, big enough for adults to be inside only with the snow in our foregarden. Now I can ride even in the deepest winter on my bycicle in T-Shirt and jeans without catching a cold.

The weather problems occuring through the global warming are exactly that, global - they're over a way to big area to ignore them. Storms are much more dangerous than some decades before doing a much higher damage... look at the costs of an insurance for proof.

Global warning a hoax? It's more a hoax that we aren't doing something against it.

The reasons for the global warming shouldn't be kept in so high interest. Not the reasons - the consequences will make us pay! :(

[S&T Kawaii Love]

Nature and the weather are always changing. But humans can manipulate the weather and that's what we are doing right now. Global Warming is real. Professional studies have shown this. I think we should stop debating and change to renewable energy as soon as possible. There are uncountable ways to get energy, gravity power for example, or lightning power. The most potential appears to be hydrogen power. So let's change our energy system then right now! But the problem is always the same; money, money, money. Use the budget on war and whatnot for beter purposes like cleaning our air and stopping pollution and global warming. Everybody agrees that we should do something so then dear gov start doing something then.

[Yonsil]

lol..so true and ensured..world climates are changing rapidly indeed. meh..I mean looking at the nature around us..do you not see difference? But thinking of *stopping* greenhouses and all those gas activities, it seems almost impossible.
Maybe humanity* can decrease it by 10%~20% in 10 yrs or so but will that stop the climate change? We might as well as go back to middle age and start over again..at least the earth will be saved! (JK JK)

[jfuh]

Global WARMING? That's a hoax. No evidence supports that theory. No evidence whatsoever other than temperature data that is not representative because the stations that meansure the heat are within cities - which grow more hot simply because of all the excess warmth. More people = more body warmth, more warmth of cooking, lighting the city, more cars, more machinery in general, and so on. THe few temperature measurement stations outside cities have not noticed ANY warming of statistical relevance(means that it cools down too, warms up again, and so on). And all that date is meansured over... 180 years, which is REALLY REALLY reliable in the first place. Yeeeeeeaah.

We had a miniature ice age a couple hundred years ago as well, you know? It caused quite a lot of trouble, including massive starvation in Japan.
NOONE knows if in the case that the world WOULD grew warmer, it would be because of us or because of other factors. As said, just refer to that mini-iceage XD

Sure, maybe one of the poles will start melting. As it has several times before. Sure, some areas get hotter(and some actually grow more cold), but that, too, is variance.


All of that doesn't mean that blowing a lot of crap into the air is right or good - far from it. We have NO IDEA what that does(and sane people don't eat something they have no clue about what it is, right?), if it causes global warmth, cold, or whatever. It probably does change the climate in one way or another, but beyond that - noone knows. But global warming? A pure myth. So far, there has not been any evidence for it. There is no need for evidence AGAINST it, since you need evidence for the theory in general to make it applyable, and the evidence for global warming has been negated over and over again.
Sorry, but what a load of crap? Do you know what global warming is? Non-existant? If there was no global warming caused by greenhouse gases this planet would be a frozen icecube on one side and a blast furnace on the other. Perfect example of greenhouse gases gone astray, venus.
Finally, who said global warming was a theory? Read up on your information.

[QwertyAccess]

if you voted yes you need to be shot

[Rigby]

That's right folks shot with a nerf gun, and then laughed at by small children. :rolleyes:

[QwertyAccess]

a few degrees can melt antarctica and that water rise will do more damage then you think.

[BSG Lilith]

Sorry, but what a load of crap? Do you know what global warming is? Non-existant? If there was no global warming caused by greenhouse gases this planet would be a frozen icecube on one side and a blast furnace on the other. Perfect example of greenhouse gases gone astray, venus.
Finally, who said global warming was a theory? Read up on your information.
If global warming existed the planet would constantly be raising in temperature. As that is what "warming" means. What you are trying to describe is not global warming but the fact that the planet is able to retain heat given off from the sun. I believe it's called the greenhouse effect, though I may be wrong.

[InflammatoryTroll]

Yes, yes it is. Dammit.

[jfuh]

If global warming existed the planet would constantly be raising in temperature. As that is what "warming" means. What you are trying to describe is not global warming but the fact that the planet is able to retain heat given off from the sun. I believe it's called the greenhouse effect, though I may be wrong.
what are you talking about? with out the ability to retain heat, how do you think the planet warms at all? mercury, no ability to retain heat, a blast furnace on the day side, a ice freezer on the night side.
greenhouse effect is an intricate part of global warming. It links together the causes of excess greenhouse gases on a gradual trend of warming temperatures.

[BSG Lilith]

what are you talking about? with out the ability to retain heat, how do you think the planet warms at all? mercury, no ability to retain heat, a blast furnace on the day side, a ice freezer on the night side.
greenhouse effect is an intricate part of global warming. It links together the causes of excess greenhouse gases on a gradual trend of warming temperatures.
Ok, let me rephrase this. I was merely saying that your reasoning for global warming is incorrect as the thing you were describing was not global warming.
Global warming is a term used to describe the increase of the planet's temperature. This increase is gauged from previous readings of temperature, not from speculation as to what temperature the planet would be without atmosphere.
Much as there is global warming, there can also be global cooling. This too was a scare at one point in time.

[jfuh]

Ok, let me rephrase this. I was merely saying that your reasoning for global warming is incorrect as the thing you were describing was not global warming.
Global warming is a term used to describe the increase of the planet's temperature. This increase is gauged from previous readings of temperature, not from speculation as to what temperature the planet would be without atmosphere.
Much as there is global warming, there can also be global cooling. This too was a scare at one point in time.
So what, you're saying that global warming is only a scare?

[BSG Lilith]

So what, you're saying that global warming is only a scare?
Yes, I believe I said that on page four and you can also infer that I'm saying it again.

[jfuh]

Yes, I believe I said that on page four and you can also infer that I'm saying it again.
So, even with rising sea levels, bleaching of coral reefs, shorter winters around the world, more occurances of freak super strong storms all of which would be consequences of global warming, you think that it's just all a hoax?
The writing is on the wall, global warming is very real, what will it take for you to face the facts.

[BSG Lilith]

So, even with rising sea levels, bleaching of coral reefs, shorter winters around the world, more occurances of freak super strong storms all of which would be consequences of global warming, you think that it's just all a hoax?
The writing is on the wall, global warming is very real, what will it take for you to face the facts.
Even if al the ice caps on Earth were to melt, the water would only raise a few inches. :rolleyes: It's like putting icecubes into a bathtub, the difference is neither noticable or significant.
I know little about coral reefs, nor do I care what color they may be.
The winter around here has not changed, it's still long and cold. Infact, we even hit record lows this year.
Theirs no proof to your claims or their correlation to global warming.

[jfuh]

Even if al the ice caps on Earth were to melt, the water would only raise a few inches. :rolleyes: It's like putting icecubes into a bathtub, the difference is neither noticable or significant.
I know little about coral reefs, nor do I care what color they may be.
The winter around here has not changed, it's still long and cold. Infact, we even hit record lows this year.

A few inches of rising sea level? What's your source for this? the level in which ocean levels would rise would be enough to submerge most of holand, manhattan New York all together as well as various other coastal cities. You're not taking into account of land glaciers such as those in africa, europe, the americas, asia, and hell all of antarctica. Should all this ice melt it's not just a matter of the level of the ocean, but the increased levels of moisture available on the planet.
One cold winter? the temperature of the winter doesn't have anything to do with global warming. It's the length of the winter.
You don't care what the color of coral reefs are, where more than 60% of oceanic creatures dwell, a significant portion of the food chain.


Theirs no proof to your claims or their correlation to global warming.
No proof to my claims? read dude, these facts occuring world wide are not causing global warming, but the cause of global warming. If you can get it into that selfish little mind of yours and read into the literature then maybe you can realize the reality of these matter as opposed being trapped in your own little ignorant world of "it's all a scam".

[BSG Lilith]

A few inches of rising sea level? What's your source for this? the level in which ocean levels would rise would be enough to submerge most of holand, manhattan New York all together as well as various other coastal cities. You're not taking into account of land glaciers such as those in africa, europe, the americas, asia, and hell all of antarctica. Should all this ice melt it's not just a matter of the level of the ocean, but the increased levels of moisture available on the planet.
One cold winter? the temperature of the winter doesn't have anything to do with global warming. It's the length of the winter.
You don't care what the color of coral reefs are, where more than 60% of oceanic creatures dwell, a significant portion of the food chain.


No proof to my claims? read dude, these facts occuring world wide are not causing global warming, but the cause of global warming. If you can get it into that selfish little mind of yours and read into the literature then maybe you can realize the reality of these matter as opposed being trapped in your own little ignorant world of "it's all a scam".
My source is logic. 70% of the earths surface is water. That's a lot of area to cover, not to mention the fact that solid water takes up more area then liquid. As I said before, ice cubes in a bathtub.
Moisture? Wow, that's something to be worried over. Maybe the deserts wont be as dry anymore.
Temperature has nothing to do with global warming? I can't think of some sarcastic quip to add to that, but it's funny nonetheless.
Adapt or die. I don't particularly care for fish.

Please do not refer to me as "dude", I find it quite unbecoming. Ok, I'll read, but what exactly should I read? The typical jargon filled fluff of some psuedo-science report? Or maybe some speculative article with no factual basing? I've seen many of those and I was not very impressed. If you have the fact, you should be able to reinforce them.

[jfuh]

My source is logic. 70% of the earths surface is water. That's a lot of area to cover, not to mention the fact that solid water takes up more area then liquid. As I said before, ice cubes in a bathtub.
Moisture? Wow, that's something to be worried over. Maybe the deserts wont be as dry anymore.
For some one that uses logical reasoning, you should think of what excess moisture in the atmosphere causes. Rain, and lots of it, not that little shower stuff in aired regions, we're talking huge mudslides Z5 tornadoes, and highly common occurances of Hurricanes and typhoons and other tropical stroms. Big deal you may say, just more rain. Excess rain in regions that don't support it (ie california) lead to earthquakes. Improbable? the excess weight distrubuted in these airid regions causes excess pressure buildup along the fault lines.
A study you can find in the scientific journal Nature shows that excess rain also leads to volcanic eruptions. so as you may or may not wish to admit, these are all very real causes of concern, not some scare tactic like all the terrorists around.


Temperature has nothing to do with global warming? I can't think of some sarcastic quip to add to that, but it's funny nonetheless.
I'll ignore your arrogant statement for the purpose of you being completely ignorant to the normal temperature shifts in climate. You had one particularily cold winter big deal, the general global trend however is shorter, warmer winters.


Adapt or die. I don't particularly care for fish. I assume you are not a big fan of fish, however you're only looking at the microscopic level. 70% of the earth is ocean, tidal regions and coral reefs are a huge part of the ecosphere of the oceans accounting for the vast majority of ocean bottom organic covering. What do you think would happen to the carbon dioxide sink provided by this region if it all vanished? most of the carbon dioxide would no longer be absorbed by the ocean creating a futher run-a-way effect of global warming.


Ok, I'll read, but what exactly should I read? The typical jargon filled fluff of some psuedo-science report? Or maybe some speculative article with no factual basing? I've seen many of those and I was not very impressed. If you have the fact, you should be able to reinforce them.
You've seen these reports, but do you understand them? And whom were they published by? an energy company? the bush white house?

[BSG Lilith]

A study you can find in the scientific journal Nature shows that excess rain also leads to volcanic eruptions. so as you may or may not wish to admit, these are all very real causes of concern, not some scare tactic like all the terrorists around.


I'll ignore your arrogant statement for the purpose of you being completely ignorant to the normal temperature shifts in climate. You had one particularily cold winter big deal, the general global trend however is shorter, warmer winters.

I assume you are not a big fan of fish, however you're only looking at the microscopic level. 70% of the earth is ocean, tidal regions and coral reefs are a huge part of the ecosphere of the oceans accounting for the vast majority of ocean bottom organic covering. What do you think would happen to the carbon dioxide sink provided by this region if it all vanished? most of the carbon dioxide would no longer be absorbed by the ocean creating a futher run-a-way effect of global warming.


You've seen these reports, but do you understand them? And whom were they published by? an energy company? the bush white house?
"The" scientific journal? There is only one? Either way, that sounds very iffy to me.

The general global trend according to whom? My city was not the only exception to the rule. Too many exceptions makes a general trend not so general.

The 70% applies to Earth's surface, not the whole planet. The rest of what you said there was inane fluff.

If you have all the reports that should be read, please share them. Aside from "The scientific journal" :rolleyes: you have yet to provide anything.

[jfuh]

"The" scientific journal? There is only one? Either way, that sounds very iffy to me.
Obviously, even if the answer was right in front of you, your arrogance blinds you.
Nature is the top scientific plublication Journal. A single publication in Nature is often enough for a doctoral degree. Your use of "The" as an emphasis point, do you understand the basic concepts of english grammer in the identification of a specific item? the orange, the apple. Oh wait that must mean thier the only apple and orange in existance.



The general global trend according to whom? My city was not the only exception to the rule. Too many exceptions makes a general trend not so general.
The global trend of warming, since hardcore scientific journals may be a little too advanced for you, here are some general reading sources (USA Today - Wolves (http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/2005-05-30-wolves-warming_x.htm) ), (freeworld (http://www.freeworldweb.net/globalwarming2.html) ), (NY Times - global warming (http://www.nytimes.com/library/national/warming-index.html) ) as well as various other sources, you don't need to look far, you can just google for them.



The 70% applies to Earth's surface, not the whole planet. The rest of what you said there was inane fluff.
I'm sorry, you're absolutely right, the earth's surface has nothing to do with the whole planet. What was I thinking.


If you have all the reports that should be read, please share them. Aside from "The scientific journal" :rolleyes: you have yet to provide anything.
With the level of arrogance you're showing here, I don't think that providing you with all the sources would amount to much. But I've already effectively shown that you're knowledge on the subject matter is complete non-sense and seemingly you're only posting these arguments to get attention or for the sake of argument alone.

[BSG Lilith]

Your use of "The" as an emphasis point, do you understand the basic concepts of english grammer in the identification of a specific item?


The global trend of warming, since hardcore scientific journals may be a little too advanced for you, here are some general reading sources (USA Today - Wolves (http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/2005-05-30-wolves-warming_x.htm) ), (freeworld (http://www.freeworldweb.net/globalwarming2.html) ), (NY Times - global warming (http://www.nytimes.com/library/national/warming-index.html) ) as well as various other sources, you don't need to look far, you can just google for them.

With the level of arrogance you're showing here, I don't think that providing you with all the sources would amount to much. But I've already effectively shown that you're knowledge on the subject matter is complete non-sense and seemingly you're only posting these arguments to get attention or for the sake of argument alone.
You shouldn't comment upon my grammar when you can't even correctly spell the word.
I check out the three links. On wouldn't load, another was filled with people arguing and the third was NY times. In the end, they were not very productive.
With the amount of logical fallacies that you use, I don't think you have a valid source to provide. The issue was never whether or not I had a vast knowledge upon the subject, but if you were able to prove the babble that you were spouting. To this end, you've failed.

[Rigby]

Actually the discussion of whether global warming is a hoax or not is kind of moot because my planet masher death ray will be ready in two years time and well, this planet is my greatest source of anxiety. If you see a trap door opening on the moon just quietly turn away from the moon, all is well. ;)

[jfuh]

With the amount of logical fallacies that you use, I don't think you have a valid source to provide. The issue was never whether or not I had a vast knowledge upon the subject, but if you were able to prove the babble that you were spouting. To this end, you've failed.
I'm not using your grammer as an argument towards validity, but as a check for your misconception.
Name one falacy I've made.
You're only scapegoating the real issue.

[cornish]

The best to convince people is to make them convince themselves by posing a few questions for them to research:

1. Why is Greenland called GREEN-land? Why did the Norse colonies started there during the Viking Age disappeared before the Danes reconquered the place in the XV century?

2. When was the last time the Thames froze yearly at London? Yes, I mean the same river that crosses London in England.

3. Are you old enough to remember the 70's scare about the impending Ice Age we were supposed to be heading to then? Do you remember all those articles about the subject in the press and even "serious" scientific magazines?

4. What has been the average Earth temperature since Life started? What is it now?

If the above does not, at least, make you doubt the Global Warming scare stories, there is nothing anyone can say to convince you and all this arguing is pointless. On the other hand, can you answer the question: why should anyone care that the Earth gets hotter (whether human induced or not)?

[BSG Lilith]

I'm not using your grammer as an argument towards validity, but as a check for your misconception.
Name one falacy I've made.
You're only scapegoating the real issue.
Grammar!!!!
Ad Hominem.
Yes, I could be doing that, but that doesn't change the fact you're unable to prove your claim of global warming. Until you can do that, anything I do is quite irrelevent.

[Glorfindel]

Personally i believe that there is a phenoma know as global warming occuring, however its not full caused by humans. I think that we are still working our way up to the high point (temperature wise) after the last ice agae. However i do believe htat human craeted pollution is having an affect on this (negatively), and thusly we should look at ways to limit our pollution (which we should do even if it wasn't affected globaly warming because its would benefit our planet :) ). Theres my 2 cents :)

Current Location: Montreal, Canada
Next Location: Quebec City, Canada
Job: Sitting in a car filming for 14$/hr x40 week [Aren't you jealous :P]

[jfuh]

Grammar!!!!
Ad Hominem.
Yes, I could be doing that, but that doesn't change the fact you're unable to prove your claim of global warming. Until you can do that, anything I do is quite irrelevent.
Funny you would use ad hominem as a fallacy, as you are the one making basless arguments against. I've given several points all sourced, you have only dismissed them from what I beleive to only be originating from your arrgance and inability to comprehend. You say you argue on the simple basis of logic, yet you make several fallacies, just to name a few:
1. Confirmational bias
2. avoiding the issue
3. avoiding the question.

If you have factual proof against global warming, please bring it out. If it's the I don't buy it nonsense, perhaps then you should go back to highschool science classes and pay attention.
Please use better arguments then simply bringing out spelling. What are you, 10 years old? Your arguments are hardly constructive in any ways.

[BSG Lilith]

Funny you would use ad hominem as a fallacy, as you are the one making basless arguments against. I've given several points all sourced, you have only dismissed them from what I beleive to only be originating from your arrgance and inability to comprehend. You say you argue on the simple basis of logic, yet you make several fallacies, just to name a few:
1. Confirmational bias
2. avoiding the issue
3. avoiding the question.

If you have factual proof against global warming, please bring it out. If it's the I don't buy it nonsense, perhaps then you should go back to highschool science classes and pay attention.
Please use better arguments then simply bringing out spelling. What are you, 10 years old? Your arguments are hardly constructive in any ways.
I do hope you realize that I, much like the rest of the world, cannot prove a negative. This is why the burden of proof rests upon your shoulders to prove it does exist.
I used Ad hominem because it seems to be a favorite of yours. You even used it in that post. Sure you might enjoy calling me arrogant, but it's not productive.
It's ironic that you choose those because you did the exact same thing, hypocrite.
Although I find it funny that you avoid all my requests for you to prove it, this seems tedious. The burden of proof is yours as I have already said.
I only commented upon your spelling of the word grammar because you didn't learn the first time. Though it does seem hypocritical to insult me for bringing up your spelling after you brought up my grammar, but if that's what you feel constitutes a constructive arguement, have a ball.

[jfuh]

Although I find it funny that you avoid all my requests for you to prove it, this seems tedious. The burden of proof is yours as I have already said.
Look back in the thread, and you will find all the proofs. But then how can you teach someone who only says, oh those proofs are all bogus. What basis do you have of calling them bogus. You can't proove a negative? Hmm strange, scientists do it all the time when they disprove theorys.
Surly someone as wise as you whose been able to say bogus to all the sources I and others in this thread have provided may provide me with some insight as to why you think it's delusional. What constitutes those studies to show that global warming is untrue.
What is it that you call Venus? We call it a runaway greenhouse effect. Greenhouse effect is what causes global warming.
Or are you going to toss aside this and say it's bogus as well.

[Bubblemonkey]

We've recently discovered that global warming does indeed exist, and it is caused by the steady decline of the pirate population in the world. Arrrr.

http://www.hongfire.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28058

[jfuh]

We've recently discovered that global warming does indeed exist, and it is caused by the steady decline of the pirate population in the world. Arrrr.

http://www.hongfire.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28058


Lol, I'm sorry, I take back everything I said. You're right, it was the pirates and spagetti monster lol.

[shuksatsu]

Pure myth because I am bored.

[6pt7]

There's evidence that supports both sides. Some argue that the temperature increase is trivial and/or erroneous because of measurement innaccuracies in the past, and others support the fact that global warming is indeed happenning and is a real threat.

In any case, I don't think it will be a problem in our lifetime :cool:

[jfuh]

For those who think Global Warming is a hoax that is made by world governments. Here's a thought for you to think about. Unlike the "terrorist threat" or "energy crisis" where we could then find an excuse and bomb the hell out of a country, what would be the mentality to scare people s---less about the world warming up?

[BSG Lilith]

For those who think Global Warming is a hoax that is made by world governments. Here's a thought for you to think about. Unlike the "terrorist threat" or "energy crisis" where we could then find an excuse and bomb the hell out of a country, what would be the mentality to scare people s---less about the world warming up?
Is it important to always know the mentality of the things people do? Just knowing Dahmer's mentality won't change the fact he ate people. The same would apply if you didn't know.
The knowledge of the reasoning doesn't change the existence of the thing it applies to.

[Denamic]

Global Warming is real. I don't think it's humans that are to blame for the warming, though I thinks it's very likely that we sped the process up a bit. A single degree C is a lot. That is 1C all around the world. As we all know(hopefully), air expands when heated, thus will the air all around the world expand ever so little, and the gravity will keep it down. This will cause much higher atmospheric pressure, causing a lot of disturbances in the weather. The increase in heat will also increase the water in the atmospere(not good). More water will also not only cause more rain, but even more pressure fluxuations resulting in hurricanes and thunderstorms and whatnot. It's the butterfly effect.
This is not facts, but what *I* think will happen.

Note: It will also bring meteors. A lot of meteors. Bring an umbrella. Or a paper bag.

[endinglast]

i don't see how people can't believe in global warming when so much has happened to the environment and how often its studied in the classroom, but then i guess not everyone has the opportunity to go to school. lucky.

[BSG Lilith]

i don't see how people can't believe in global warming when so much has happened to the environment and how often its studied in the classroom, but then i guess not everyone has the opportunity to go to school. lucky.
It's also lucky that you feel secure enough to validate your belief with vague statements.
It wasn't "studied" in any classroom I've ever been in. So, how often is it studied in the classroom?

[Denamic]

It was *mentioned* once or twice in mine. Most things I know comes from Discovery channel, internet, logic and common sense. School sucked for me, and I learn far more from a kids early learning show on TV than a year in my old school.

[wildclaw]

I agree that humans probably are causing environmental changes.

I have however not yet been convinced that those changes are bad in the long run.

[s41nt3d]

It boggles my mind that decades after the "hockey stick" graph the existense of global warming is even questioned(not to mention being called a "hoax"). I will watch with morbid curiosity how many more decades pass until the debate moves to what to do about it.

[4rcane]

because the hockey stick graph was actually produced by an error in computer program. Its since been used by propagandist as proof that global warming is increasing at an alarming rate, when global warming has been the norm throughout earth's history. The temperature goes up and down.

[BSG Lilith]

It boggles my mind that decades after the "hockey stick" graph the existense of global warming is even questioned(not to mention being called a "hoax"). I will watch with morbid curiosity how many more decades pass until the debate moves to what to do about it.
The "hockey stick" graph never proved anything. It's a graph which was formulated off of various assumptions.

[TheException]

It's not a hoax...
I'm actually very involved with global warming lately. We have a database of information about temperatures reported around the world and it's no joke. Our lil planet is really warming up quiet quickly.
But what does it mean that earth is warming you say. Well it creates huge differences in temperature in some areas of the world, which is not very good for both humans, fauna and flora. In areas close to the desert people have to move constantly because the desert keeps growing.
Glacier melt and may cause tsunamis and flood.

But if it was only the temperature it wouldn't be so bad. Now think about WHY earth is warming up. Carbon Dioxide. And Nitrous Oxide, and other gases that aren't really great when they are in huge quantities in the air. They pollute the air we breathe, they cause smog, and they also cause acid rains.

And the worst thing is that the amount of forest and trees is decreasing. People destroy woods to get wood (doh), creat parking lots, build houses and offices, etc etc. while the only thing that can help us regulate the amount of Carbon Dioxide in the air are green plants.

Well i hope that convinced you. Cuz it's no joke. And that's why i'm working on finding ways to lower emissions from powerhouses while keeping it cheap and simple :)

[Denamic]

We have had much less snow the past few years than what is normal here. A few years ago, the snow could get two to three meters deep if left untouched. Even deeper sometimes. The winters are not as cold and the summers are hotter.. Could be an effect of the warming, or just plain screwed up weather. I sure as hell won't research it, as I enjoy warm summers and hate shoveling snow, so I'm happy.

[krezreal]

Though I think the world needs to take look a the problem of global warming before it's to late, I don't think anything will be done unless the economic powerhouses are willing cut their own purse strings.

[teatimefan]

This will be a lot of Information so I shall do it over multiple posts.
To begin the present Global warming models are based on Ice cores from the Arctic and Antarctic. Within these Ice cores are trapped air pockets from the time the Ice was formed. If you examine the pockets you can find out the atmospheric composition of that period also by checking the size of the Ice band you can see how much the Ice sheet has grown and shrank during that time. The conclusions are that the Earth goes through several cycles. The biggest and most important is when the earth's orbit changes (every 100,000+ years or so) in between that time the temperature of the planet is controlled by various greenhouse gasses of which carbon is the most important.

Based on the Ice cores the earth should have been in a cooling period right now not a heating period. The Ice cores also show that the planet has temperature thresh holds that need to be exceeded before really noticeable effects start to occur.
These are:
1) Atmospheric instability
2) The great dieing
3) Runaway green house effect.
The first one atmospheric instability is when the energy in the atmosphere reaches the point that major swings in the weather pattern occurs. Things like constant flooding for a decade followed by a decade of drought. Major Category 5 storms all the time 5 year long heat waves and 5 year long cold waves. Act

[teatimefan]

Post two, the raising sea level.
From when the last Ice age ended the oceans have raised an average of 2cm per year do to the melting of the Ice Caps. However over the past 5000 years (before the industrial revolution) it was rising the 2cm a year without the major melting occurring. The little Ice age was an exception as it was caused by a glacier somewhere on the border of the US and Canada melting then flowing into the north Atlantic which stopped the deep ocean current freezing the north until the salt content of the Atlantic stabilized enough for the current to start again. The rise in ocean levels over the past 5000 years has had more to do with thermal expansion than melting Ice caps (as the water of the oceans heats up the water expands) the amount that the oceans will rise must be based on both the melting Ice caps and thermal expansion. If you take both into account you end up with a nightmare scenario of the oceans rising up to 100ft. You heard that correctly 100ft. if you think about it most of the Ice that is on the caps which have melted is already sitting in the ocean. Now for chemistry 101 Ice is less dense than water so if you have ice in a cup of water and you measure the level of the water then let the ice totally melt and measure the water again the water level will drop. This is not what is happening (part of it of course is the fact that the Antarctic Ice sitting in the water is in the shallows so it will not displace as much Ice as it would in the deep ocean.
How the scenario works. If the Ice already in the water melts while the Ice on the land stays intact and the world wide temperature only raises 2 to 5 degrees Celsius then you are looking at a few inches of sea level rise. If the Ice on Greenland Alaska northern Canada and western Antarctica melts you are looking at more sea level increases in the feet range. Now if eastern Antarctica would melt with all that Ice being land locked as it is (ice so deep it even buries parts of mountain ranges) you are looking at up to a 100ft rise in sea level (this does include the thermal expansion from the heat required for the melting of all of Antarctica). Well that

[jfuh]

Regardless of how many facts that those of us who've accepted them will post about global warming, opponents such as BSG Lilith will merely call them all giberish and go off topic to say how illogical or impractical such data is, or in the end dismiss it entirely as saying: "well it won't happen in my life time".
Regardless of whether you understand global warming or dismiss it entirely though, why contribute to pollution of the environment? Why buy that expensive gas guzzeling SUV? So you can show off your wealth? So you can feel better about yourself with materialistic possessions? Does such make you a better person?
It all comes down to conservation, don't be wasteful, do a little something for helping the environment and look at the reasons for the opinion you may support.

[wickedone64]

I understand the science behind it, something about a reaction that eats up O3 in its reaction and creates more of the thing that ate up the O3, but I dont know much else.

[jfuh]

I understand the science behind it, something about a reaction that eats up O3 in its reaction and creates more of the thing that ate up the O3, but I dont know much else.
That's ozone layer, only slightly associated with affecting global warming, ie increased radiation. But is not global warming itself.

[Lordofevilcr]

I find it strange that almost everyone thinks that nature will preserve itself...
Why should the earth remain at a stable temperature even without men? The bacteria that lived on the other planets in our solar system died out too because of climate change, so why wouldn't we? I don't think just being conservative with our energy etc. will help enough. But it would be a good start...

[teatimefan]

I find it strange that almost everyone thinks that nature will preserve itself...
Why should the earth remain at a stable temperature even without men? The bacteria that lived on the other planets in our solar system died out too because of climate change, so why wouldn't we? I don't think just being conservative with our energy etc. will help enough. But it would be a good start...
The earth doesn't remain a stable temperature as a matter of fact having a stable tem is a fluke as the normal state of affairs in the world is major fluctuations of temperature. The only other two planets in our solar system that could harbor life venues and mars may be dead or may not. For mars there is no reason why bacteria don

[LillaRue]

No, 4rcane I don't think so.
In Sweden winter and snowfalls now come around february/march instead of november december(10 years ago long time ago when I was a child ^^)
Scam that! hehe

[Oldo]

Since a major portion of human evolution is technological, how else can the earth deal with humanity if it does'nt have any means of defeating such a resiliant species. Human kind most likely will not obliterate itself in one cataclysmic event like a world war but more likely over time by self abuse in the form of pollution. chances of us colonizing another planet/moon are slim at best, chances of us dieing from atmospheric events/disease are pretty damn good. So the answer to an organism that develops not only organicly but mechanicly is to have the latter destroy the prior, pollution is a byproduct of our dependance on technology and will eventually do us in.

[Psycho Mantis]

Global warming is no joke,and it has to be taken seriously.People who voted yes,must have something wrong with them because we are already seeing the side effects of this.

The planet`s temperature has already rose 2 degrees overall.The ice caps and glaciers are already melting,or starting to melt.The world already has a bill to stop producing fossil fuels slightly to stop the melting,but the USA doesnt want to become a part of it.

If this does not stop,expect the oceans to rise within 75 years,not 100.

[jinjin]

Global warming is only a hoax, if you believe that smoking doesn't cause lung cancer, and that high power tension wires running over houses do not cause health problems for children.

Global warming is real!

[Areskel]

Global Warming is definately real, what the causes are, what the effects will be, those are impossible to pin down on one thing.

That humans are contributing is a fact, so whether the problem is natural or man-made, we still have a responsibility to do as little as possible to speed it. We are responsible to our children and their children to keep this planet liveable as long as we possibly can.

[Denamic]

Did you know that because of the ozone layer being destroyed, the sun during winter-spring up here in my region is just as strong, or dangerous, as it is during summer in Miami? Did you know that the average amount of snow we get during winter has decreased almost a full decimeter these past 10 years, but the amount of precipitation hasn't decreased? Or that spring comes almost half a month earlier than usual up here?
All the proof I need to know it's real is right on my doorstep.

[jinjin]

Yes. I've noticed the light from the sun has gotten more intense. Pretty soon people on the beach and poolside will be like that lady in the commercial inside the RoboCop movie, covering themselves up with SPF 3000.

[Omega-Poot]

OK, OK, OK, wait. Are we saying that a totally static environment is typical or desirable? One way or another, the climate of earth has changed many, many, many times, even before we were here. There are more species alive now than there ever have been, EVER. We are at a biodiversity peak. Harming the environment? It's the best now than it ever has been. Cry, whine, and moan about it all you will, but the amount of pollutants being made by man is miniscule, a mere drop in the bucket. The earth itself is "harming" its environment because the idea of a constant global equilibrium point is a lie.

[C.A.]

of course global warming is real, but its also a natural process. humans didnt cause global warming, were just speeding it up. global warmings and ice ages has happened hundreds and probably thousands of times in the past 4.6 billion years of the Earth. any global warming and ice age would happen again in the future, right now we humans are just making it happen faster.

but because its a natural process doesnt mean we should just let it happen, if it can be prevented or slowed down why not try it?

[Aldair]

ok, ok, ok, I just skimmed a majority of this, but Omega, you are right in a way, but wrong in many more...

Before there was global warming, it was global cooling...

The Earth is working itself in a cycle, heating, cooling, it even has changed magnetic poles multiple times. Do a search on magnetic undersea rocks, there are loadstones which have their magnetic poles facing the wrong way. In another 20-30 years, at most 50, we will be back at the global cooling stage, maybe even on the way back to global cooling... There will always be idiots pressing the panic button when the meteorologists on channel 7 predict 80* in the shade and it's 78* and rainy...

As for global equilibrium, it is there, it's just not as fragile as everyone makes it out to be. Yes pollution exists, yes ozone is getting fried, YES IT'S GOING TO GET FRIED ANYWAY! But the Earth itself isn't static, it heals itself. Besides, if enviromentalists keep going and when the United States' president changes parties, we will be spending billions of dollars to save a bird in the Amazon that is sick...

[Denamic]

Actually, we should be in the cooling cycle right now.
You don't seem to understand that making everything just 2 degrees warmer will cause huge instabilities. Such as floods, hurricanes, thunderstorms and things like that.
I know that the world won't be destroyed and that the world will heal, or the life on it will adapt. But what about us humans? I mean, we're already at 6.5billion and that number is increasing rapidly. What about 100 years, when there's no more room in our largest cities? We will start building more, and more, and more, until we have thrice the amount of big cities we have now. If we don't have environmentally clean machines by then.. well yeah.

[uanime5]

Almost all the scientist agree that global warming is happening. Its the politicians and oil industry that is denying it.

[wintypes]

Climate is changing... here in Germany, the winters get colder and summers become hotter...

There must be a cause.

[April Angela]

so this has something to do.
humans so called it "el Niño" i think...

(A warming of the ocean surface off the western coast of South America that occurs every 4 to 12 years when upwelling of cold, nutrient-rich water does not occur. It causes die-offs of plankton and fish and affects Pacific jet stream winds, altering storm tracks and creating unusual weather patterns in various parts of the world.) *from dictionary i'm lazy to type*

[jinjin]

Almost all the scientist agree that global warming is happening. Its the politicians and oil industry that is denying it. True. But there are a couple of scientists who claim that the warming is normal and not the result of anything man has done. I wonder what oild companies these scientists work for?

[YamiSouru MkIII]

OMG, I WAS WHITE, NOW IM BLACK AS A CHARCOAL!!!!!, ahahahaha, seriously, to the year 2026 the predictions says that most Coastatal Cities will be consumed in a 60% by the rising of the Water Level, and to 2034 or 2039, they will be completely submerged, acording to a National Geographic of 4 years ago.

now i dont know, we only have this planet, we dont even have colonies to migrate.... and colonies are made in 2096 or 2127 or 2045, one of this dates. for more reference see Gundam Calendar Change. and with the coming wars, the levels will rise greatly....

[tenjouten]

:sigh:, with the sea level rising Japan and Hawaii are the first ones to go :nooooo the anime! the anime!!!!!! and ps3 games!!!! nooooooooo: then we get stuck with xbox and billgates for the rest of our lives :NOOOOOOO:

[YamiSouru MkIII]

dont worry Tenjouten, Japan has a system similar to Shevat(Xenogears, the flying city), so we will be seeing japan safe and sound, i cant say the same of Hawaii Tought.

[Neo Zeed]

Food for thought.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9005566792811497638

[Thyran]

Yes. I've noticed the light from the sun has gotten more intense.

Last time I went outside, that annoying orange orb up there burned about as much of my retina as it did 10 years back.

Oh, and you noticed? You must have the eyes of Superwoman. Or, Supertrap as it turned out.

Also, necromancers are evil. They can summon skeletons and whatnot. Imagine my mother-in-law finally died and some forum noob comes round and brings her back. Lurk moar and think of the brave men that are willingly entering a marriage.

[kulaskulasito]

Last time I went outside, that annoying orange orb up there burned about as much of my retina as it did 10 years back.

Oh, and you noticed? You must have the eyes of Superwoman. Or, Supertrap as it turned out.

Also, necromancers are evil. They can summon skeletons and whatnot. Imagine my mother-in-law finally died and some forum noob comes round and brings her back. Lurk moar and think of the brave men that are willingly entering a marriage.

I'm an amateur astronomer. I have a telescope that I can configure for solar observation using a Baader Filter. About two months ago I was observing sunspot number 993 and checked data against other solar observers around the world. While doing this I casually asked one experienced amateur astronomer if, throughout the years they've been doing solar observation if they noticed any significant change in the sun's brightness and they said no (the sun will actually eventually become hotter, but the timescales involved are so immense, it's actually pointless and insignificant to talk about it here). However, they did say that it may appear as if the light/heat has intensified because they did notice that it became more and more uncomfortable to do solar observation as the years went by, and they themselves do agree that temperature-wise, the average day has become hotter and hotter since the 1970's when they started pursuing this hobby.

So in a way I'm saying that Jinjin wasn't absolutely wrong--from the vantage point of a person with absolutely no training in astronomy, yes, it would seem as if the light/heat from the sun has intensified, so she could say what she said, from an observer's standpoint. You however are correct in your "guess" that the actual brightness/heat hasn't changed much, but you are not in a scientific position nor do you possess the experience and equipment to make your remark more solid. But like Jinjin you can old make that remark from a casual observer's standpoint.

And btw, lol you're responding to a member's post, and a famous one at that, that hasn't been in the forum for ages, and thus this thread would surely stick out like a tempting closable one for the mods, esp. MR. D. :D

KULAS

[solarenemy]

Hmm last time I checked, global warming had nothing to do with the suns output increasing or not. It has to do with all the pollution we are creating causing a bubble around the planet thus raising the mean temperature around the globe. Its more complex then that but in a nutshell thats it. It also has to do with the ozone layer depleting which lets more UV, infrared and various radiations in that werent as high before. The increased UV and IR raise the mean temp of the planet as well.

I've noticed the winters are much milder now then they where when I was younger in the early 70's. The summers are much hotter as well now too. So the evidence should be plain as the nose on your face that warming is real. As to the danger it poses, thats a different question. But the global warming is real.

[kulaskulasito]

global warming had nothing to do with the suns output increasing or not.

This is exactly why I skipped the discussion re the evolution of a star/sun. The timescales involved are simply gargantuan and wouldn't be a significant factor in the current global warming issues facing the planet.

And to the guy who posted that video, about global warming being a hoax, I have two things to say:

a) Thank you for the link. Any information is indeed welcome.

b) Take note that ANY argument has a counter-argument that can be produced as elegantly (in this case, yet another "pretty and well-made documentary") and professional-looking and sounding as the first one.

So again a word of caution--if you didn't take Gore's message word for word, why then should you take what these guys in this "Swindle" movie said word for word? Learn to stand on your own. Learn to make decisions on your own. Educate yourself, and DEFINE your own understanding.

KULAS

[razzlero]

Global warming is a natural event... though humans are speeding it up
,but within the next 100 or so years the supervolcano under yellowstone park will errupt, and the gasses it releases will be so thick that they will block out the sun for several days causing the next ice age.
Though I get the feeling that the SuperVolcano will errupt sooner than people are saying, and some people are saying that they're surprised with how fast the area above it is getting hotter.

Supervolcano wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supervolcano)

Looking at the wikipedia page now it doesn't actually give that much info on it...

[Hayeate]

Last time I went outside, that annoying orange orb up there burned about as much of my retina as it did 10 years back.

Oh, and you noticed? You must have the eyes of Superwoman. Or, Supertrap as it turned out.

Also, necromancers are evil. They can summon skeletons and whatnot. Imagine my mother-in-law finally died and some forum noob comes round and brings her back. Lurk moar and think of the brave men that are willingly entering a marriage.

The moment I saw "jinjin" in this thread, was the moment I realized someone must have hit the res stick to revive her dead corpse for sexual purposes.

That I can't allow. The memory of the dead must be kept sacred and undisturbed. If you want to discuss this subject, then by all means please hit that "new topic" button on the top of the screen instead of digging one up from pages ago. But for now, let us pray so that a mod will come and re-bury this thread into the grungy soil of lockdom.

[Bubblemonkey]

Food for thought.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9005566792811497638
More fodder...why do scientists feel pressured by the government to downplay everything? Why not just let them be and let the data justify the claim that warming is bunk?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16886008/
http://www.ucsusa.org/scientific_integrity/interference/atmosphere-of-pressure.html

Union of Concerned Scientists info on warming
http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science/Fingerprints.html

[Desmonthes]

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