The Revolution controller... rumors and assumptions can be lame. Links in post#15!!

[ChaosDelirium]

It's been a while since more rumors went out concerning the N Revolution. So here I am to deliver the latest:

Photoshopped prototype (http://www.nintendo-fanboy.com/Blogs/News/hqs/blr_364.aspx)
Folks at IGN wasting their time with the controller (http://gear.ign.com/articles/643/643663p1.html)

I just want to see why it's SO revolutionary....

[Choppy]

Whoa... either Nintendo and IGN are both high, or I am. This looks too weird.

[sf101]

Doubtful on any of those. They would all feel uncomfortable by the looks & should have as much buttons as the gamecube.

[briareos_kerensky]

I don't think the "revolution" will be centered on the pad alone...recent statements by Sega's Yuji Nakata and Peter Molineux of Bullfrog fame give only hints that this controller will be quite peculiar and the console will have some interesting features, but IMO people are thinking too much about the controller.

[Skye McCloud]

Well, of course they are. It's always the controller that defines how a game is played. No matter what the console is, this will occur.

However, chances are that something with the console itself happens to add to the play of the games. Perhaps an idea I heard of will come.

[berserkfury101]

I dont see why Nintendo has to make the controller for the revolution that much different from the gamecubes the consensus is that you will be able to play all past nintendo titles on one controller and if you look on the gamecube controller it all ready features every button that was on previous consoles minus the select button on the the nintendo and snes so i doubt its going to be as mind blowing as every body believes a little peculiar maybe but not revolutionary.

anyway thats just my opinon

[ChaosDelirium]

If they're not showing it anywhere in any expo, it's because it's hot. Since it's hot, they don't want their ideas to be copied right from the start. If the only spcecial thing it had was the backwards controller compatibility then it would indeed be nothing of a surprise and they would have showed it already. There's something else to it.

[Faylar]

It's still too early to say what the controller designs are. Nintendo is still looking for ideas from us, the consumers.

It had better not look like any of those stated above tho lol

[DemonEyesKyo]

its going to be a controller with a screen or sumtin..probally this is going to be the letdown of the system...everything else kicks ass..i hope you can use gamecube controllers for it..haha

[Skye McCloud]

its going to be a controller with a screen or sumtin..probally this is going to be the letdown of the system...everything else kicks ass..i hope you can use gamecube controllers for it..haha

Two things.

1, Nintendo has said that whatever it is that will make the controller revolutionary, it will be something that, while not new, is something that has NOT been used in gaming. A touch screen has been usd in the DS.

2, Nintendo has said there will NOT be a second screen at all.

[DemonEyesKyo]

ooo excuse me lol..i dont read every little thing hah..well i hope its comfortable and good for super smash bros

[carloamoyen]

Two things.

1, Nintendo has said that whatever it is that will make the controller revolutionary, it will be something that, while not new, is something that has NOT been used in gaming. A touch screen has been usd in the DS.

2, Nintendo has said there will NOT be a second screen at all.


hmm all i can come up with is VR gloves and head gear....
oy i sounded really goofy for a minute there.

from the rumors i heard about the console and how its purpose it to play "classics" etc via download, the controller would have to have the buttons that we are all familiar with the format we're all were adjusted too. certain games require a certain feel when playing (007, smash brothers etc). hehe it may sound dumb but maybe a "transformable" controller between all of nintendos controllers. its something original (childsplay, toys) and revolutionary in the gaming world :p. then again this is a far-out hunch.

[Skizzem]

Why couldn't these companies just stick with a design that looks almost like the Playstation controllers? I mean they're ergonomic and easy on the hands. I mean hell, look at the X-Box controllers; they had to freakin' ship out two kinds just because for some the original ones were too big. And as for Gamecube... man, they're just as bad as the Sega Dreamcast controllers. I have no idea how anyone can play fighting games with those.

I don't know, I like creative ideas and all but sometimes it's what's practical that gets the win. And some of those concept designs for the Revolution controllers... wow, I don't even know how to comment on those.

[Deucalion]

yep it will be controller that re*revoluitonizes* the industry.

And it sucks when people make up false rumors...

[ChaosDelirium]

Why couldn't these companies just stick with a design that looks almost like the Playstation controllers? I mean they're ergonomic and easy on the hands. I mean hell, look at the X-Box controllers; they had to freakin' ship out two kinds just because for some the original ones were too big. And as for Gamecube... man, they're just as bad as the Sega Dreamcast controllers. I have no idea how anyone can play fighting games with those.

I don't know, I like creative ideas and all but sometimes it's what's practical that gets the win. And some of those concept designs for the Revolution controllers... wow, I don't even know how to comment on those.

Actually I'd have to say and I'm sure that many agree with me that out of all the current-gen controllers the GC's is the most ergonomic and easiest on the hands. The Sony's controller (which has been the same for the past 9 years) is only more practical. However it's analog sticks aren't as good as the N64's or GC's due to lack of marking the angles on the cotroller. If you look carefully, Nintendo's analog sticks all have markings at every 45 degrees making it easier to tell well you're tilting it.

But back to the Revolution's controller... here are all the links that are useful to ANYBODY who's interested in learning about the Rev's controller. I went to IGN to find this because they always tend to do the most painful digging up of news. So, have a go at the articles:

Nintendo comments on their own controller (http://cube.ign.com/articles/632/632628p1.html)
The Reggie guy talks about ALL the controllers and his thoughts (http://cube.ign.com/articles/630/630385p1.html)
Another rumor, seems more likely to become reality than the rest so far :P (http://cube.ign.com/articles/628/628697p1.html)
More DEFINITE info on the controller (http://cube.ign.com/articles/575/575714p1.html)
Everybody mails in their questions regarding the controller... and they get answered! (http://cube.ign.com/mail/2005-07-13.html)
This is really worth reading EVERTHING! (http://cube.ign.com/articles/529/529130p1.html)

Happy reading! :)

[Skizzem]

True, GC's controllers are a bit more ergonomic (verifying this as I'm holding onto one right now) and that the analog sticks are better, but the D-Pad has got to go. When compared to the one that PS has, it just isn't good for fighting games. And yes, I keep referring to fighting games simply because I like this type of gameplay. The other is RPG, but that's besides the point, lol.

Oh and thanks for the links.

[ChaosDelirium]

True, GC's controllers are a bit more ergonomic (verifying this as I'm holding onto one right now) and that the analog sticks are better, but the D-Pad has got to go. When compared to the one that PS has, it just isn't good for fighting games. And yes, I keep referring to fighting games simply because I like this type of gameplay. The other is RPG, but that's besides the point, lol.

Oh and thanks for the links.

You're right on that one :P The D-pad on the GC really did suck... it was just too small.

Still, don't forget to read the links in post #15 !!!!

[Bubblemonkey]

I really hope the speculation that the controller will , in fact, have fewer buttons is just that, speculation.

Cross platform games show that fewer buttons does not make for better controls. Fewer buttons will only lead to either a) more simplistic games or b) complex button combinations to get the same functionality as that provided by platforms with more buttons available. Games that were released cross platform for the PS2, XB, and NGC usually had the NGC getting the short end of the stick control wise since the designers and coders had no choice but to require 2-button combinations or time sensitive button presses (hold for 1 second to do this or that) to do the same things that only required a single button press on the XB or PS2. True, fewer buttons equals a simpler input device, but it will either result in more simplistic games or more complex input combinations to get the same functionality as those controllers that don't have the handicap of too-few buttons available. If Nintendo does go in that direction, then I think the revolution will end up being viewed as more of a kiddie console than the NGC was.

Then what about the gyration possibility? Well, that goes against Satoru Iwata's apparent intention to make the console more accessible to casual gamers. What's easier than pressing a button? Gyration only adds another layer of finesse that casual gamers will not want to deal with...especially if it's vital for game play.

I'm afraid that Nintendo may be trying so hard to be revolutionary, that they're losing sight of the actual audience they're selling they're product to.

[Skye McCloud]

Gyroscopics won't be in it either.

Several games have been released that use gyroscopic technology.

As well, in regards to the controller playing past games, Nintendo could always, I dunno, create their controllers again with WiFi to work? Hah

As it stands, the Cube controller works quite well for most N64 games, so they can package a Cube controller to cover two consoles. For NES and SNES, package an SNES controller that can be WiFi. Of course, for the diehard people, the Rev's controller can do all this as well.

[xcalibro]

I only hope that they will release a controller with an touch screen after playing jump superstars i can see why this could work on any console.
A quick selection
B less screen clutter
c The game's can be played much faster (nobody ha to learn the menu's With this i mean final fantasy crystal chron.)

[grimace30]

Skye McCloud... could you point me to a statement by Nintendo, or an interview where it's said that the Revolution controller will not use technology previously used in gaming?

I've never run across such info and Iwata has repeatedly said that we should look to the DS to guess where Nintendo is going with the new controller.

Personally, I think that Gyrations technology is a sure thing in Rev's controller. Ninty has said that there'll be fewer sticks... motion sensitive controller = bye, bye one or both sticks.

The new controller HAS to support atleast as many buttons as the Gamecube. But Ninty has also said that the controller will have fewer buttons!
Without a touch screen on which programmer/user-set buttons can be defined, I dont know how both fewer buttons and NGC compatibility is possible. Anyone know how resistance can be added to a touch-screen (i.e. button clicks) dynamically? Maybe a series of tiny rumnle motors under the screen? Or an overlay on the screen that stiffens when a current is passed through it? Like a magneto-rheological fluid.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3828/is_200111/ai_n9016032
http://www.firstscience.com/SITE/ARTICLES/robotblood.asp

Revolutionary? Heck, yes! Far-fetched? Probably :(


Maybe the controller can have parts broken off and attached... that would be awkward. :/

[Skye McCloud]

It will require a bit of digging, but yea, I'll find it.

Edit: This isn't quite it, but this will shoot down the idea of a touch screen:

http://cube.ign.com/articles/522/522559p2.html


Q: Will Revolution feature screens on the console or the controller?

A: No. At a June 2004 analyst briefing in Japan, Nintendo president Satoru Iwata said, "We have no intention of making a two-screen console akin to the [Nintendo] DS."

I will keep looking for the article, though.

[Para]

nintendo might reveal the controller tonight at Tokyo Game Show :)

link here!!
http://cube.ign.com/articles/651/651320p1.html

Thread locked because IGN says its revealled now. No more rumour thread :)