Not a Coup D'etat ! but Merely a Point of View ...

[AnimeWerewolf]

as of late i've noticed there's been some tension that has surfaced over new rules and certain bans both over the inconsistence and posible
questionable reasons and enforcement of these two sensitive subjects . now i would like to make it very clear that i'm in no way refering
to any particular members and or staff i'm just providing an opinion based on my own personal observations and in no way should be
taken as anything more than a constructive view on the situation . now with that said having a difference of opinion is healthy
for a forum now i by no means advocate disrespect twards the staff most of them are nice and easy to get along with who
work hard to keep this site up and running but it seems there's been a bit of friction over creative licence , freedom of
speech and posible advertising now i fully understand that this is not a democracy but it isn't or atleast shouldn't
be a communist state ! the rules are there to help keep some order among members most are just common
sense behavior anyone would follow without being told others relate to legal and technical issues now
the inforcement of these rules should be done fairly in my opinion singling out individual members
for special or excessive punishment simply because you may not like them is wrong on many
levels it shows biased , favoritism and hypocrisy most of all ! so why bother having these
rules unless they are enforced evenly through the community no member is anymore
special than anyother whatever anyone thinks your time spent here and number
of posts you've made means nothing both members and especially the staff
should understand this ! treating any member differently ether positive
or negatively is a bad way to moderate whatever your relationship
with a member outside of the forum be it best friends or mortal
enemy's that is personal and doesn't belong being mixed in
with the forum ! now there is no doubt that moderation
is needed especially on a forum as large as this one
if it wasn't moderated it could very easily decline
into mindless flaming & trolling but over heavy
handed moderation will also cripple a forum
because it stifles the creativity and self
expressiveness of the forum members
strangling the very life out of it !
so i strongly urge that even
tempers prevail keeping
hongfire a vibrant &
welcoming place .

[Draco888]

**stand up and gives AW a standing ovation**

You said what many of us oldtimers of HF were thinking AW.

I just hope this thread lasts longer then 40minutes ..... :(

[Para]

Your concern has been noted in the memo of Para. ;)

[A LaZy PaNdA]

*Turns on loud music and we all party at the beauty and truth of that post*

:D we need comic relief.. The panda must do it :O
Sorry, this might be my last post cause i'll be banned for the dancing =(

[dots]

Well this thread did lasted more than 40 mins... that's a good sign...


Anyway congrats on para's 1111th post... lol...


i by no means advocate disrespect twards the staff most of them are nice and easy to get along with who
work hard to keep this site up and running

Totally agree on this....

[Draco888]

Well this thread did lasted more than 40 mins... that's a good sign...


Anyway congrats on para's 1111th post... lol...



Totally agree on this....
Good sign ..agreed, but still....
Trust that is shamed is not as easilly reclaimed as it was lost ....
Not with me any way ... I'll keep an open eye on how things progress....
But I really admire AW for having the guts of saying what many of us are just feeling and thinking.

Also . . . congrats Para.

[seorang]

I will lead the forums to a revolution......

after this.

*goes back to watching hentai*

[Draco888]

-_-

hmm seems not many dare to admit they feel the same way . .

Not that I can blame em . . the atmosphere being what it is . . .

This could be a setup to find out and round up the "undesirables" , the "troublemakers", ...


But since none of us are banned atm *keeps fingers crossed* lets wait and see.

[Bubblemonkey]

-_-

hmm seems not many dare to admit they feel the same way . .

Not that I can blame em . . the atmosphere being what it is . . .

This could be a setup to find out and round up the "undesirables" , the "troublemakers", ...


But since none of us are banned atm *keeps fingers crossed* lets wait and see.
Hahaha!!!! They're waiting for the big fish...don't you watch any crime dramas? Why go after the small fry when you can sit in the boat a little longer and net the whoppers...the instigators of this whole rebellion.

By the way, I agree with the sentiment as well...the atmosphere here has kind of taken a real suspicious turn....not healthy, to say the least.

[Skizzem]

Don't worry Draco. The mods wouldn't close this thread because doing so would prove AnimeWerewolf's point.

[Laundry3000]

Revoluuutiooon !!111
http://img5.picsplace.to/img5/5/1121520861025.jpg
....
*Ouch!*

[Dreamerdgh]

While I agree, we, the staff, are not perfect, the staff does the best it can. As for problems with staff behavior, it should be handled the same way as at work. First PM the staff member in question and try to find a reasonable solution, failing that or if you don't know who the staff member is, PM a Admin and ask him to intervene. If your problem is with an Admin, GOOD LUCK. This is a never ending proccess, because hopefully Hongfire will be never ending.

EDIT: The Admin of hongfire was picked by Hongfire himself to run the site while he is MIA. The Admin of Hongfire deserve the respect as if they were hongfire himself, because Hongfire entrusted this site to their care and trusted them to do what's best for Hongfire.

[Chaotic Heavens]

now
the inforcement of these rules should be done fairly in my opinion singling out individual members
for special or excessive punishment simply because you may not like them is wrong on many
levels it shows biased , favoritism and hypocrisy most of all ! so why bother having these
rules unless they are enforced evenly through the community no member is anymore
special than anyother whatever anyone thinks your time spent here and number
of posts you've made means nothing both members and especially the staff
should understand this ! treating any member differently ether positive
or negatively is a bad way to moderate whatever your relationship
with a member outside of the forum be it best friends or mortal
enemy's that is personal and doesn't belong being mixed in
with the forum !
Actually, I like the idea of slight favoritism. Maybe it's because I'm an older member, thus I'll have more advantages/disadvantages than others with this aspect; however, I feel that certain rules can't be judged equally, maybe close to equality, but certain people will get less weight on them than others.

For example if the extreme happens and a moderator goes berserk. The thing to do is suspend his account before he creates more trouble with his powers. And according to the rules, it would probably be to ban the person, incarcerate the body, and then move on. If we did that, we might be losing a vital person in the system. Yes, taking away the person's administrative power would be wise, but to eliminate the person from the society is injustice. Previously, the person played an important role and without the person, there must be a hole to fill. Finding moderators shouldn't be that difficult as we there are many active members that want to be one, but the lack of an active member is a huge hit to the atmosphere. I would issue that the person lose administrative power and be monitored and if another incident happened, ban would be forced.

With your equality idea, the previous moderator just got banned. Nothing else. All the time the person spent here, wasted. This only releases more anger from the person. And the reason for the action to begin with? No one knows. Maybe it was a bad day at work or school and the pressure got to him/her. If everyone is under the same rules, lots of people would leave. Not because they want to be special, but the lack of authority. Look at normal society. Don't you notice that certain people get more respect/privileges? That's because they helped to benefit the world they live in. So if a crime was committed by that person like theft, possibly they'll receive the same sentencing a bum would get, but it's unlikely.

And it's not like these special "favoritism points" are easy to get. You have to be active in the forums. You have to help other people, not just a leech. You have to expand your territory beyond General Discussion/Torrent Forums. You can even help moderators that need help. Everyone gets a fair chance at receiving a "favoritism point", it's just that some of us decide to pounce on the oppurtunity while others don't. It's simple, it's fair. I like the system in which HongFire is governed; however, I do have personal dislikes with certain people.

[Knifes]

now there is no doubt that moderation
is needed especially on a forum as large as this one
if it wasn't moderated it could very easily decline
into mindless flaming & trolling but over heavy
handed moderation will also cripple a forum
because it stifles the creativity and self
expressiveness of the forum members
strangling the very life out of it !


Indeed AWW, I would have to agree, but as for my personal opinion I finally come to the conclusion.... that somehow, someway.... I don't view the HF staff as "one" anymore. More like mods are doing how thing "should be" to thier own "ideal" forum. (each one more more lax or restrictive than others) Now this is something mods are supposed to do, yes... but even now and then, that restrictiveness, is really irritating an open person like myself. I wonder why in world is this thread locked... and then I dun feel like PMing cause I would just get some reply such as "oh you (Knifes) and one other memeber were the only ones that complained.. so hence my judgement was correct" >.> I was like WTF!? what kind of thinking is this?!

I dun mean this in a bad way... but I at least get pissed at least once every 4-5 days about something being modded incorrectly. (or at least to what I think is "right") Seriously... could mods here have some kinda universal code that needs like two mods to lock a thread or something to that effect? I don't feel staff are one, and have delvelopmed some kinda favoritism to certain staff members than others. And frankly, its just disspointing for me to think that way >.>

meh.. maybe some people dun think this thread applies to now... but for me... it does >.>

[Skizzem]

I know what you mean, Knifes. One time I was helping this dude out about his torrent problem. Even before he could reply to me whether my instructions worked or not, or if he had any problems of any sort, a mod closed the thread. There was also a similar instance when something like this happened, though I'm ashamed that I forgot where and what it was all about. Still, what I don't understand is what makes one thread "closeable" but a bunch of other ones left open? The actions that a few of these mods are taking don't seem to be consistent.

But having some moderator experience myself, I know that it's hard to maintain a forum with lots of members. Increasing the number of mods to oversee the forums doesn't necessarily help. What the mods/admins need to do is host weekly, if not daily, meetings and should discuss the issues that are being addressed by the members and find alternative ways to alleviate such issues. I obviously don't know if thats what HF mods/admins are doing but there seems to be a lack of communication going on between them. I remember one thread in which two or three mods were like, "Uhh, I don't know who closed this thread. We'll look up into it." That's pretty sad. :(