Microsoft - Nintendo

[Jona87]

[B]Kikizo: Do you view Nintendo Wii as competition?

Shane Kim, General Manager, Microsoft Game Studios: We have a tremendous amount of respect for Nintendo and truthfully, I hope they are successful, because expanding the market and bringing more people into the interactive entertainment industry is a good thing for everybody. But they

[bunnygirl]

Wow. And I thought Sony had their heads up their asses.

[Atachi]

actually i would say it's kind of true...

nintendo is aiming for a different audience - that's what Shane said; just a bit malformed ^^

one wouldn't say "I hope they are successful" about a direct competitor ^^


* just my 2 (euro)cents

[Thyran]

Of course he's right. It's like comparing a PC to the PS2.

When I was looking at the "X360, PS3, or Wii"-thread it already kind of annoyed me that Wii was being compared to the other 2.
They're way too different, the Wii focuses on an entirely different audience.

[nick64]

Yes, though Wii focuses on a different audience it doesn't mean that Nintendo isn't a threat in Microsoft's strategy to dominate the console market.
Microsoft should really consider Nintendo as a threat, especially since after the E3 media praise and stuff.

[rei_andrew29]

Yes, though Wii focuses on a different audience it doesn't mean that Nintendo isn't a threat in Microsoft's strategy to dominate the console market.
Microsoft should really consider Nintendo as a threat, especially since after the E3 media praise and stuff.

true, after all they are the gaming giant that once dominated the gaming market eons ago.

[ssjkakkaroto]

I wonder... X-BOX (360) is from USA right?
Sony PS(2),Nintendo Wii is from Japan

Little political again huh
BIG americans with BIG mouth are trying to be BIG again >.>
Like nick64 says, Microsoft shouldn't think Nintendo isn't a threat in Microsoft's strategy to dominate the console market.
Yah we know Ultra 64 sucked after Dolphin it was getting better, now Revolution is coming with (finally support of old console games) NES,SNES,N64,GC support.
As always consoles is actually reliable on good games. For example PS2 has a lot of releases while others sucked with sucky games except regarding super titles like Zelda, Metroid. Like Sega in those times with Sonic...

If revolution comes and their titles sucks , well gameover for nintendo.
Seems most game developer companies like to program in PS2 hence lets think about PS3, other hand X-BOX (360) is trying to get more games too.

[BBsin]

As long as nintendo has a console out they will be competitors. This shows 2 important things that i see.
1.Microsoft is slowly starting to give up on the japanese market.
they are bowing down to nintendo's japanese support and know there is no way they can thrive that "market".....atleast not this gen.
2.They (like me) realize that even though nintendo is a console and is expected to have higher sales, the lack of power will prevent the Wii from getting the mainstream 3rd party blockbusters down the road. The Wii compared to PS3 and 360 will have different games because the Wii is pushing all their chips in for motion sensoring, meaning the wii will have games that utilize that technology while everyother kind of game will mostly be on the X360 and Ps3. But as for ssjkakkaroto's (post above mine) comments about gameover for nintendo... i have to disagree, out of all 3 companies Nintendo has used the cheapest and most efficient hardware blended in with what some says old technology (that looks new b/c it's never been used in a video game market b4) to make the Wii, and with that being said... it results in nintendo never having any losses when launching a system (no power, no risk). Nintendo NEVER puts themselves in a position that if they have bad launch sales they are royally screwed anymore (not after nintendo 64). This also may be why some 3rd party companies don't roll with nintendo anymore.

[kingx11]

Wii is a threat to xbox360 only in japan side by side with PS3

but outside japan there's no comepition

xbox360 is more next-gen-ish than wii

and this a**hole said that they don't think they'll win in japan because PS3 is big there and wii seems to look as big as PS3 in japan


and for the record i just wanna say: xbox 360 is powerful console but the masterminds and mangment is so stupid and retarded that they might kill it before it's time

[nick64]

But this is a strange situation with Nintendo, Iwata has confirmed that the launch price of the Wii be close to the cost of the console, therefore very marginal profit or none at all per console sold. In the past, Nintendo always made the consoles cheap and affordable with a nice profit margin, but not this case.

Still, with that said, the amount of profit that the DS sales are accumlating is helping Nintendo a lot, and that alone will help them through the next generation.

@ssjkakkaroto: Developers develop on the PS2 because it has the highest fanbase = potentially higher sales than the lower fanbases of GC and X-box. For the PS3, its development costs are much much higher now and a few developers have mentioned this and even jumped ship from making games on the PS3. This will be toughest generation Sony will ever have, with PSP sales steady but not killing DS sales worldwide, widespread criticism on the internet and other media outlets, Sony may have rely on casual support (again) to win.

[BBsin]

but outside japan there's no comepition

xbox360 is more next-gen-ish than wii

I'll probably agree with you 3 years down the road when both "HD" systems become cheaper but untill then i'll disagree. As of right now the majority of people don't even have proper equipment to fully utilize the power of HD gaming (what PS3 and X360 offers). As long as the Wii is 250 bux, the people in U.S or anywhere else will get the Wii even if it's weaker than the other systems. I think b/c of the price of the Wii, nintendo will hold it's own vs X360 and PS3 outside of japan until there's a pricedrop.

[Kerii]

As of right now the majority of people don't even have proper equipment to fully utilize the power of HD gaming (what PS3 and X360 offers).
Anyone with a CRT or LCD has HD capability.

Oh, what do you know, that includes everyone on the internet, and probably millions more that don't have internet.

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But I'm sure you knew that already.


Personally, I'd rather play at 640x480 on the old 52" boob tube (with FSAA).

But if I did have the Dell 2005FPW in the above picture, that'd be a tough decision.



As for the article:
Nothing new really. Same thing they've said months ago. Just that this time by someone with a name instead of a PR release. To be honest, I find Microsoft's releases and interviews for the most part... a snore fest. Because you already know what they're going to say. Everyone in the company will tell you the exact same thing.

It's just part of their marketing strategy. Downplay the competitor on its weak points to assuage investors and attract potential customers. Older than The Art of War.

That's what they're TOLD to say. It's gotten to the point where it's not even worth reading the vast majority of them.

Well, I suppose it's at least better than all the bullshit garbage and hype that Sony churns out every other week.
"PS3 is liek t3h fine restauratn dinining experianse!!!!!!!!'11111one"
More like making a reservation at the Four Seasons and having Kutaragi squat on your table and crap in a box.

[canthics]

Heh. If you can't beat 'em, claim they're not the same niche?

I always find it interesting how Microsoft's gaming front behaves so much more differently than the rest of the company. Though it's not surprising, given that their entire foray into gaming began as a group of rogue developers coding up directX as a guerilla project. Still, I was expecting a bit more aggressiveness than what has been witnessed so far.

[Malik04]

Wow. And I thought Sony had their heads up their asses.

Yeah, but microsoft is stuck in an endless "head you ass" loop.
Watch when Nintendo wipes it's ass with Microsoft (and possibly SonY).

[BBsin]

Anyone with a CRT or LCD has HD capability.

Oh, what do you know, that includes everyone on the internet, and probably millions more that don't have internet.

http://xs103.xs.to/xs103/06273/x1.JPG.xs.jpg (http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs103&d=06273&f=x1.JPG)

But I'm sure you knew that already.


Personally, I'd rather play at 640x480 on the old 52" boob tube (with FSAA).

But if I did have the Dell 2005FPW in the above picture, that'd be a tough decision.



As for the article:
Nothing new really. Same thing they've said months ago. Just that this time by someone with a name instead of a PR release. To be honest, I find Microsoft's releases and interviews for the most part... a snore fest. Because you already know what they're going to say. Everyone in the company will tell you the exact same thing.

It's just part of their marketing strategy. Downplay the competitor on its weak points to assuage investors and attract potential customers. Older than The Art of War.

That's what they're TOLD to say. It's gotten to the point where it's not even worth reading the vast majority of them.

Well, I suppose it's at least better than all the bullshit garbage and hype that Sony churns out every other week.
"PS3 is liek t3h fine restauratn dinining experianse!!!!!!!!'11111one"
More like making a reservation at the Four Seasons and having Kutaragi squat on your table and crap in a box.

Lol. thats funny. mind telling me how to configure my 17inch 1998 Crt to play Madden 2006 on 780p when it can't even go beyond 1024 and 768 pixels???? and also if i wanted to play a 1080p, heck even 1080i on a game (when it comes out) on a it's natural high resolution with a dell lcd, it's gonna run it fine without anysort of ghosting even if it doesn't have a HDMI?? before you say something else i'd like you to answer those 2 questions fully first.

[Ragnax]

Lol. thats funny. mind telling me how to configure my 17inch 1998 Crt to play Madden 2006 on 780p when it can't even go beyond 1024 and 768 pixels???? and also if i wanted to play a 1080p, heck even 1080i on a game (when it comes out) on a it's natural high resolution with a dell lcd, it's gonna run it fine without anysort of ghosting even if it doesn't have a HDMI?? before you say something else i'd like you to answer those 2 questions fully first.
To answer the first part; Your CRT must be extremely crappy. I've got a CRT from back in '98 as well, and it can still go up to 1280x960 with a 60Hz refresh rate.
To answer the second part; 1080i only has 540 vertical lines to update each refresh. It should only need bandwith more or less equal to a regular 1024x768 progressive update. (Give or take a bit when it comes to the horizontal length of each line.) For a CRT, 1080p would probably be out of its league, yes.

[BBsin]

^
Meh... i think my PC was pretty decent for it's time... the whole thing cost $800 including monitor and speakers... it is a CTX brand and when i try to go above 1024-768 the screen goes crazy and flickers around constantly.
but anyways like i said before.... fully utilize, i know a lcd can run x360 games (thats what we use on display at Ebgames around the country for sample gaming), but it can't touch the quality if it were played on a new 32 inch DLP HDTV now can it?And some people will not be happy with the fact that they spent 400-600 bux on a system and they can''t play it the way it was meant to be played.

[solarenemy]

Maybe its your video card that cant support the higher resolution. As far a s know and knew ALL LCD's could do 2048 and higher depending on their size. My 19" crt can do 2048 as long as the video card supports as well..

[BBsin]

^ yeah.. i thought the same thing once. My friend has a CRT the same size as me and when i pulged it into my computer (x700 ati) it didn't flicker like crazy ,same with my brothers LCD. And as for "the ALL LCD's can do 2048",I'm no expert on LCD's but i'm not sure about that. I'm on my brother's computer and he has a samsung 19inch LCD with a Geforce 7800 GTX and it doesn't have an option to go higher than 1280 by 1024 pixels. :/

[kingx11]

I'll probably agree with you 3 years down the road when both "HD" systems become cheaper but untill then i'll disagree. As of right now the majority of people don't even have proper equipment to fully utilize the power of HD gaming (what PS3 and X360 offers). As long as the Wii is 250 bux, the people in U.S or anywhere else will get the Wii even if it's weaker than the other systems. I think b/c of the price of the Wii, nintendo will hold it's own vs X360 and PS3 outside of japan until there's a pricedrop.


so you think b/c of the price people will get it anyway and dump 360


not because they hate US and the fact that the mangment of MS-XBOX japan are so lame and think like kids ((we have and they don't have)) that kinda kids

[Kerii]

Lol. thats funny. mind telling me how to configure my 17inch 1998 Crt to play Madden 2006 on 780p when it can't even go beyond 1024 and 768 pixels???? and also if i wanted to play a 1080p, heck even 1080i on a game (when it comes out) on a it's natural high resolution with a dell lcd, it's gonna run it fine without anysort of ghosting even if it doesn't have a HDMI?? before you say something else i'd like you to answer those 2 questions fully first.I have a better idea.

How about you:
1. Learn how CRTs work.
2. Learn why HDMI is a load of crap.
3. Stuff your foot into your mouth and retract your questions. :p


But since I'm feeling generous, I'll answer your questions anyway.
1. Turn down the refresh rate or color mode genius, or get a better graphics card.
2. Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaa. Oh man, that was hilarious.

[SephirothGX]

look, they're already making camps of PSWii and Wii60 and such, so that plus the people who are only buying the wii equals the wii wins by default, just by sheer numbers. Perhaps instead of meaningless posturing, they should look at the dismal sales record for the 360 vs nintendos current gen handheld stuff even, imagine a "next gen" console at near that cost, the conclusion: Wii Wiins =P

[solarenemy]

As far as I'm concerned you cant compare the Wii or anything nintendo to the 360. They are in a totally completely different market. Again nintendo anything mainly are bought for kids. Many of them in fact. The 360 and the x are bought for older teens to adults and mostly US customers. Its like comparing apples to oranges. The nintendo will outsale the 360 in the nintendo market. But if you break it down by customer base you will find the sales on any of the consoles is about even. But I dont see a the Wii as a contender against the 360 or the PS3 due to the market that the nintendo targets.

[Mai Tokiha]

Wow. And I thought Sony had their heads up their asses.
Indeed - the MS "holier than thou" attitude mixed up with the frequent American "Holier than thou" attitude. A truly disgusting mix http://www.hongfire.com/forum/images/smilies/cs/smile005.gif

[BBsin]

so you think b/c of the price people will get it anyway and dump 360


nope. I'm not saying people will dump the 360 OR the PS3 and just stick with the Wii as the sole video game console. I think some or alot of people are going to get the Wii because of the low price (compared to the rest of the consoles) and keep the x360 or save up for a ps3 (or wait for a price drop) for the same reason. Like i said before, i don't (and the majority of comsumers also) think the Wii is a going to be hands down a great system with great games and everything, i also think nintendo is using the same concept as the Gamecube except for the fact that they added unique controllers (but nonetheless everything from the size, pricing, and games are exactly what nintendo did with gamecube). With that being said, nintendo's biggest selling point is the fact that the Wii is going to be a very cheap console compared to the rest (the difference in cost is virtually the only reason they expect a high sale total). But I'm not saying nintendo will OWN the U.S market either but it's probably going to do better (if not alot better) than the gamecube b/c of the situation today, now if the PS3 was striped from alot of it's hardware and released for $300 this would be a completely different situation (but then again if they did that they'd be giving away to the xbox 3-4 years down the road).

As of right now the majority of people don't even have proper equipment to fully utilize the power of HD gaming


look, they're already making camps of PSWii and Wii60 and such, so that plus the people who are only buying the wii equals the wii wins by default, just by sheer numbers.

No... I don't think there's anyway you can say that any of the 3 consoles just wins by default 5 months before it even comes out. All 3 systems has their claims and most of them are pretty reasonable.


As far as I'm concerned you cant compare the Wii or anything nintendo to the 360. They are in a totally completely different market. Again nintendo anything mainly are bought for kids. Many of them in fact. The 360 and the x are bought for older teens to adults and mostly US customers. Its like comparing apples to oranges. The nintendo will outsale the 360 in the nintendo market. But if you break it down by customer base you will find the sales on any of the consoles is about even. But I dont see a the Wii as a contender against the 360 or the PS3 due to the market that the nintendo targets.

Hrmmm. I'm gonna have to disagree with you again, like the last time, and the time b4 that :P mainly because i just don't think you're looking at the big picture and this is why. No matter how much you say nintendo is apples and xbox is oranges you gotta realize one thing, nintendo does not think that way (while the Xbox does). Nintendo/Sony wants to have the highest sales, so they don't care who buys the system, whether it's kids, teens or adults. Hell, miyamoto even said himself that he expects adults to buy his systems b/c he beleives that adults want to play the same games as they did when they were kids (which discludes a huge amount of bloodshed, which is ironicly what kids these days enjoy). When it comes to consoles, people aren't trying to compare apples and oranges but instead they are seeing what kind of fruit is better (comparing fruits as a whole) and then buy it. The big picture is when someone buys a Wii or anyother system it will effect the sales of another one, because the main goal of the companies is to get as much as costumers as possible (and hopefully make another company quit) and chances are if a person with an everyday paycheck buys a 360 he's not gonna get a PS3 or vise versa.

And as for the costumer base and even sales remark....
Are you talking about THIS generation or Last generation??? because last time Sony really OWNED the sales, the combined total sales of Xbox and gamecube was still not higher.... and in this generation well... only one system has been released.


I have a better idea.

How about you:
1. Learn how CRTs work.
2. Learn why HDMI is a load of crap.
3. Stuff your foot into your mouth and retract your questions.

But since I'm feeling generous, I'll answer your questions anyway.
1. Turn down the refresh rate or color mode genius, or get a better graphics card.
2. Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaa. Oh man, that was hilarious.

1. Nah, i'm not going to read that much info. I mean since you know exactly everything there is to know about CRTs work i would rather just ask you.
2. listen, it's been said time and time again. HDMI is the only way to get higher than 25~30fps when playing at 1080p on a HDTV, say nay if otherwise mister tech
3. You don't deserve a 3rd answer

Oh goody! the great master of consoles, computers and geekdom "Kerii" says he'll give me his answers, It's gotta be my lucky day.

1. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, i was wrong. most CRTs can play 720p games....but why would anyone want to even deal with that. The majority of CRT monitor owners probably has them with the size at 17inches to 19inches with the screen aspect of 4:3. This goes without saying but just incase there's very very slight chance that you of all people don't know of this yet, most (probably all, in the future) of Xbox360 and PS3 games are built and played in a 16:9 aspect. Therefore inorder for you do get that to work the CRT screen (which ofcourse, isn't REALLY 17inches or 19inches but lower) will display the game screen even lower than it already is... how many households or gamers do you really think would want to deal with that?? it'll come to a point where you can't even see the sharpness without having to be real close to the monitor. Anyone will tell you that a next gen console will obviously be better viewed and and played on a HDTV with a large size instead...BUT ofcourse you have probably tried all of this stuff by yourself and compared it to a 32 inch DLP HDTV already and determined that the CRT monitors will produce sharper images and more color, so i guess we'll have to go with your answer.

2. You seems to be losing your mind on that one so... I guess i'll answer my own second question. Which is NO, unless you have a 23inch widescreen monitor or above (which is usually the size of a lcd monitor that offers 1920

[Kerii]

That's funny, because my CRT can push 2048x1536 at 60Hz just fine.

Seriously, do you ever get tired of babbling all day about stuff you're completely clueless about?

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Jeez, seeing as I only have a cheapo $50 19" CRT and am only using an "old world" DB15-P VGA cable, I must be breaking the laws of physics.

Someone please help me. I need to waste^H^H^H^H^H^H spend $2000 on a fancy new plasma display and an overpri^H^H^H^H^H^H^H high quality DRM^H^H^H^H HDMI cable.

But hey, it's not a complete loss. At least now you know what 1080p actually specifies.

[Raziell]

As far as I'm concerned you cant compare the Wii or anything nintendo to the 360. They are in a totally completely different market. Again nintendo anything mainly are bought for kids. Many of them in fact. The 360 and the x are bought for older teens to adults and mostly US customers. Its like comparing apples to oranges. The nintendo will outsale the 360 in the nintendo market. But if you break it down by customer base you will find the sales on any of the consoles is about even. But I dont see a the Wii as a contender against the 360 or the PS3 due to the market that the nintendo targets.
I need to dissagree with you on this, for starters as it's been said, nintendo doesn't really care who buys the console. Second off, are you quite certain that the 360 and ps3 markets are aimed solely at older audiences? For example, I asked many of my younger relatives, ranging from age 7ish-12, which console they would prefer to buy, the results for Wii? 1, out of about 12. I can't remember the other two. People need to face facts that the kids of today are not the same as the ones of 10 years ago. Fat, middle aged plumbers and blue hedgehogs don't appeal to them anymore, today they prefer guns (no taste... victims of the modern media).

For the second example, I asked nearly all of my friends, most of which who would be defined in the older teen demographic, the remainer being adults, which console they planned on buying this holiday season. 1 for the PS3, 2 semi interested in the 360(for a very select number of titles), and the remainer, some, I dunno, 10, 12, or so, for the Wii.

Of course, this might not be so accurate, the majority of my friends arn't part of the drooling masses (aka. Sony fanboys), so their lack of ignorance probably swayed their decision.

To underestimate or turn a blind eye to your opponent, will surely come back to get you. Microsoft and Sony both have done this.

[Kerii]

***Quite right.

Mainly a PC gamer here, but I'll be damned if I don't go back to my old gray brick every once in a while to replay Tetris or Metroid.

It's all about the gameplay. In other words: entertainment value.

[Jona87]

I still have my nes. Right next to my dreamcast. The games i play the most are Contra, Bubble Bobbles, Bionic Commando and Captain Skyhawk :P

[BBsin]

Seriously, do you ever get tired of babbling all day about stuff you're completely clueless about?

Jeez, seeing as I only have a cheapo $50 19" CRT and am only using an "old world" DB15-S VGA cable, I must be breaking the laws of physics.



Well... where's the part where you actually use it for gaming?? If you're not gonna play a game at 1080p then i really don't see the point of that post. Try playing a recent game with that resolution, like hrmm i dunno, elderscrolls or FEAR and tell me you're not gonna have any slowdowns at 1080p (unless you have one hell of a system that the majority does not). Like i said b4 it would be meaningless to even play games with a max resolution on a 19in CRT, no human eyes will be able to tell the different between a 19in CRT gaming at 720p or 1080p especially with 16:9 aspect unless they glare in inches away.


Someone please help me. I need to waste^H^H^H^H^H^H spend $2000 on a fancy new plasma display and an overpri^H^H^H^H^H^H^H high quality DRM^H^H^H^H HDMI cable.

well you got one thing right, i do plan to "waste" around 2000 bux on a HDTV, which i will be watching TV on...ofcourse i have to say that since you apparently think i'm getting it solely for videogame consoles and all the people that buys a ps3 or x360 is fine with using a small crt monitor. What? next thing you're gonna tell me is that your CRT can also watch HD channels with! But hey, with the last post you just made i'm glad to know you'll feel sorry for me when i'll be playing my PS3 on $2000 HDTV (which will be better than a crt monitor are more wasys than worst) while your having all the glory on your CRT. BOOHOO!


For the second example, I asked nearly all of my friends, most of which who would be defined in the older teen demographic, the remainer being adults, which console they planned on buying this holiday season. 1 for the PS3, 2 semi interested in the 360(for a very select number of titles), and the remainer, some, I dunno, 10, 12, or so, for the Wii.

Don't think as my reply as a disagrement but most of my friends are going towards getting a PS3 depending game price ,jsut about everyone already has a xbox and is waiting for GOW or Halo and is just about everyone is waiting to see how the Wii pans out b4 they they actually buy it. And at my ebgames we've been getting more request about preorders on the PS3 (which isn't happening till later), and alot of questions about the whether or not all controller add on is gonna come with the box for the Wii (we don't know) but it seems like alot of Wii buyers are not worried about preordering the Wii and think they'll get their systems without doing so (which i think will around 1 month prior release). But anyway, what i mean to point out is that the majority of people that i know like the xbox best and is not sold on the Wii yet.

[Kerii]

Uhh... right. You're buying a $2000 HDTV so you can sit in your living room and watch TV and play games from 15 feet? Good for you.

The rest of us will just sit 3 feet from our computer monitors and have the exact same, if not larger, feild of view. Without having wasted $2000.
Well... where's the part where you actually use it for gaming?? If you're not gonna play a game at 1080p then i really don't see the point of that post. Try playing a recent game with that resolution, like hrmm i dunno, elderscrolls or FEAR and tell me you're not gonna have any slowdowns at 1080p (unless you have one hell of a system that the majority does not). Like i said b4 it would be meaningless to even play games with a max resolution on a 19in CRT, no human eyes will be able to tell the different between a 19in CRT gaming at 720p or 1080p especially with 16:9 aspect unless they glare in inches away.Nice try changing the subject, but you fail. Try again, with gusto this time.

Or... you can take this poster. No charge.

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[BBsin]

Uhh... right. You're buying a $2000 HDTV so you can sit in your living room and watch TV and play games from 15 feet? Good for you.

The rest of us will just sit 3 feet from our computer monitors and have the exact same, if not larger, feild of view. Without having wasted $2000.Nice try changing the subject, but you fail. Try again, with gusto this time.

Or... you can take this poster. No charge.



No i actually plan to watch the HDTV from around 8-10 feet.
And you and the "rest of them" are gonna sit 2 feet away from a CRT that will never be used to play any nextgen games on with 1080p while you stick your head into the screen to even out the size between a 50+ in HDTV compared to a 18in monitor?...Hrmmm well now i'm really starting to see how bad that hurts me. y'know what? i might just go out and buy a 15in Crt and just sit 1 foot away from the screen so technically I'm gonna have a better view than you.:kakashi: . As for me changing subjects,well... my first question back then was if you can show me how an average CRT OR a LCD monitor can play a 1080p game without giving away to slow down time and i asked you the same question a 2nd time. with that being said you actually think i'm trying to change subjects... hrmmm ok

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[SephirothGX]

Heh wow, you guys sure are angry ^_^ isn't this suposed to be a debate about the soft vs nintendo? Now i know technically speaking it is, but, tis not really the issue how many dots you can fit on a screen =P

Boy, im glad im not the only one who disagrees with solarenemy's theory. You just beat me to it =D Nintendo isnt aiming or targeting kids, they're going for everyone that does game, used to game, or has yet to game, so that encompasses every gamer ever, not just kids, and its not like comparing apples and oranges, although both are tasty ^_^

[stukasa]

I agree with SephirothGX, Nintendo isn't just targetting kids, they're targetting all gamers. Some Nintendo games have been for kids, sure, but they've had their fair share of Metroid Primes and Resident Evils too. As far as the console "wars" are concerned, I'd like to think of Microsoft and Nintendo as indirect competitors. Both systems offer a different experience, but they're still competing in a way because some people who buy a 360 won't buy a Wii, and vice versa. With that in mind, neither Microsoft nor Sony should dismiss Nintendo as being "out of the race." Nintendo may be doing their own thing, but they've always remained true to their goal: trying to bring the most fun gaming experience to their customers.

[Kouji]

i agree with stukasa & SephirothGX, nintendo is trying to get a wider audience, thus games (most) will be rated for everyone so everyone can enjoy them, just cause some games on other consoles are rates "M" doesn't mean they will sell better.

[Kerii]

As for me changing subjects,well... my first question back then was if you can show me how an average CRT OR a LCD monitor can play a 1080p game without giving away to slow down time and i asked you the same question a 2nd time. with that being said you actually think i'm trying to change subjects... hrmmm ok
As of right now the majority of people don't even have proper equipment to fully utilize the power of HD gaming (what PS3 and X360 offers).I already answered your question. Which you responded with ridiculous tirades about needing an HDTV just to play in HD.
And about how current systems aren't powerful enough to play HD on a monitor.

News flash genius, if it can't do HD on a monitor, it can't do HD on a TV either without significantly lowering the fps.

And I thought you were clueless before, hah.
You're still clueless even after the facts are presented to you in plain English.

What's funnier is that you still think your questions make sense.

http://xs203.xs.to/xs203/06275/YOU_FAIL_AT_LIFE.png (http://xs.to)

Go back to EBgames where you belong.

[Phyro]

well nintendo IS pointed more to young people, while Xbox is towards teenagers, I probably would have skipped the gc if it didn't had SSB, Zelda and RE/ Anyways I think the xbox has even fewer good tittles than nintendo, If i was stuck on a island id defently choose nintendo over xbox(well if it didn't have xbox live anyways).

[Atachi]

...thou shall not revive dead threads...

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