junior member and rules

[LITTLE BY LITTLE]

I want to propose this first:The direction where the junior member was made to restrict that to a self-introduction chat for the first time when [ first ] carrying out thread creation, post and may say.
I exchanged private mail with HereAtThere about the rule today.
I sent such a mail first.
"I want to put the link to a rule on all hongfire pages.
Because unless I will look for a rule actively, I think that it does not go into an eye.But I think nice idea that Chaotic Heavens put it signature ."
HereAtThere:
"recently, a lot of junior members just keep on asking about questions that have been answered over and over again. and all of us members already tried to suggest new members to read the faqs when they introduced themselves, but they just don't do it. they're probably too lazy or think that they have enough experience with other forums that they don't need to re-read everything again. but the problem is, in every section of the forums, at the very top. there is always a link to read the FAQs and Rules, but they just don't do it. well, they see it, but just ignore it. so in my opinion, even if we blow this right in front of their face, i don't think they will read it. take me for example, i didn't read the FAQ nor the rules until a few days after. why? it's because at first, i was only planning to download and upload from this site, so don't need to do anything with the forums. but after a few days later, i found out that i have a lot of things that i didn't understand, that's why i checked the rules and the faqs. so i just think that this is subjective where some people will take the time to read the faq and rules, but some just ask questions in the thread because they get replies with the answer without having to look through the whole faq and rules. so with this in mind, we can only hope that new members will look at the faqs and rules first. Chaotic heavens sig does help a bit, but it still depends on whether member decides to read it or not.
sorry if i didn't really answer your question."
I :"In addition to those who are going to post or create to a thread, I understand that there is no necessity as you are told.It was thought that I would look at a rule because I found too post which someone is writing by "read a rule." However, I have looked for it here and there. This thing may be having restricted to me.
There may be those who say "what is necessary is just to ask someone if you want to know where the place is." However, I was solitary until ero baka gave the letter.
I think like this now: The direction where the junior member was made to restrict that to a self-introduction chat for the first time when [ first ] carrying out thread creation, post and may say.

Don't you think that you want to mix and argue about other men about this thing? Am I what may make a thread? But I am deficient in command of English....."
What do you think about this?
Finally I want to tell expecting HereAtThere supplementing with the words of that I appreciate very much and me. And I also appreciate ero baka which sent PM for the first time, of course.

[Kitee]

it might work, but i think threatening isn't such a good idea since if there Is one member who didn't read the rules and Did Not get banned, then it won't work anymore

[LITTLE BY LITTLE]

Thank you for a reply,Keril!
Probably, when I had not presented rep to HereAtThere, and when HereAtThere had not sent PM to me, I was consulting with you .
And I cannot have made a thread.And I am having kept this feeling in the drawer. :p :D

[Kitee]

Thank you for a reply,Keril!
Probably, when I had not presented rep to HereAtThere, and when HereAtThere had not sent PM to me, I was consulting with you .
And I cannot have made a thread.And I am having kept this feeling in the drawer. :p :D

you don't have to keep everything to yourself, if you have a problem just post it and i'm sure people will helping out to solve your problem :)

[LITTLE BY LITTLE]

Thank you very much,HereAtThere☆
In this hongfire com, my uneasiness may be free anxiety.
I feel uneasy to the Japanese who lives in the same Japan especially as me.
I think that there are many breach-of-the-rules persons also to the bbs site of what in the world.
However, if it does not BAN as long as there is no much thing, since "2 channels" mostly allowed freedom altogether in Japan is too famous, they tend to have misunderstanding.
It happens by this hongfire and I am apprehensive about Japanese people giving people of other countries misapprehension.

[ChibiFirli]

Good idea,
but how do you get people to read the rules for sure?
You can do something like require an "I agree to the rules and have read the faq"-checkbox to be clicked with either the rules & faq's front of it or a link to it. I'm not sure that will help though. I usually skim through such things (licence agreements and stuff). But it's not scaring, and at least makes people notice.

(Actually I did read the rules en faq's :p, this is the first forum I've subscribed to, so I thought it wouldn't hurt to take a look, being a total newbie to forums :D)

[jsnut]

Banning right after they violate the rules for the first time is really not a good practice. Although, I'm not suggesting that they should feel free to violate the rules. I can't say much about this matter but let's just say we are currently looking into this rule offence thing. So, please don't worry about it. Just continue your activity and you can also report the rule offenders by using report bad post button (http://www.hongfire.com/forum/tinhxuan/buttons/report.gif). It will help the moderators in case they might overlook it.

[Kitee]

Banning right after they violate the rules for the first time is really not a good practice. Although, I'm not suggesting that they should feel free to violate the rules. I can't say much about this matter but let's just say we are currently looking into this rule offence thing. So, please don't worry about it. Just continue your activity and you can also report the rule offenders by using report bad post button (http://www.hongfire.com/forum/tinhxuan/buttons/report.gif). It will help the moderators in case they might overlook it.

so that means a new member will recieve a "bad post" everytime for asking a qeustion that is already answered in the FAQs and rules?
that should be a good idea. but there are too many newbies here, it'll be hard to give warnings to all of them

[Desmonthes]

by HereAtThere
but there are too many newbies here, it'll be hard to give warnings to all of themagree, there's always a thread or two in the wrong forum everyday -.-
should we make HF banner with the title
"Please read the FAQs and Rules careful or you will get temporary ban" :p
that's more effective than Kerii's :D :D

[jsnut]

so that means a new member will recieve a "bad post" everytime for asking a qeustion that is already answered in the FAQs and rules?
that should be a good idea. but there are too many newbies here, it'll be hard to give warnings to all of them
Well, you don't have to report all of them. Maybe just the obvious ones such as posting request or normal discussion in the torrent forums, asking for support in the general discussion forum, signature picture over limit, etc. You get the idea.

Also, please be nice to the new members because they might just forget the rule for a moment when they make a post. :)

[LITTLE BY LITTLE]

Thanks you,Firli. Thanks you,jsnut.
I consider... Although surely there is also a severe person among newcomers, it is that there are also those which he does not notice that it is to do the severe thing. The people which take care of a newcomer to a fortunate thing are in hongfire.
Do you tie up the things and talk and doesn't it think of you?

[ChibiFirli]

Well, you don't have to report all of them. Maybe just the obvious ones such as posting request or normal discussion in the torrent forums, asking for support in the general discussion forum, signature picture over limit, etc. You get the idea.

Also, please be nice to the new members because they might just forget the rule for a moment when they make a post. :)

Does reporting has any real negative effects (aside from not adding the post to your post count) for the poster? 'Cause I would kinda feel bad reporting someone who just accidently made a mistake if it really is negative for them. Meaning I probably wouldn't report them :p.

[srea]

May be you're right. But some NEW member that's REALLY doesn't know anything and don't really want to do that will be involve...
Isn't that's too cruel for them?

Anyway, it's just my opnion.

[jsnut]

Does reporting has any real negative effects (aside from not adding the post to your post count) for the poster? 'Cause I would kinda feel bad reporting someone who just accidently made a mistake if it really is negative for them. Meaning I probably wouldn't report them :p.
If the violation is an obvious one like posting in torrent forums without torrent files, the posters will be contacted by the mods. Although, I don't know the details regarding how they deal with that matter.

Don't worry about it. Feel free to report anytime but only if it's rule offending. Please don't report because you just don't like the post. :D And even if you don't report, sooner or later the mods would find it and move/remove it anyway.

[LITTLE BY LITTLE]

Thanks srea.
Firli and I are the same feelings if my English understanding is not wrong.
The incident actually arose yesterday. (Password file Problem)
I doubted of the thread and I worried about how I should act.
I decided not to look, although it was seen after all. :(
Thanks jsnut☆

[Kitee]

i got a new idea
how about when any time in the future if someone asks a question that can be answered in the FAQ, we just reply with "Read the FAQS"
and the same goes for when someone posts in the wrong section
this won't help for new members however, but it'll at least make the current new members read the FAQS and Rules

[syia]

Firli, There is no immediate negative effect when you report a member's post. As in, there is no point system to show that member is a bad member, etc like Neg Reputation points. However, reporting a member's post with no vaild reason will just annoy us, but in most case, we'll just ignore it, until it becomes irriating. Then we'll deal with the person in quetion abusing the !Report Feature.

We encourage members to use the !Report feature when a thread is mis-placed, voliation to the rules, duplicate, or just general spam.

And for the record, we DO BAN members that causes problems to the community.

Now as for the original poster... I'm having a hard time comprehending what LITTLE BY LITTLE's post is about. My engrish isn't that good, and of course, not to offend you, LITTLE BY LITTLE, since I can understand your native language is not that of english. So can someone repost a summary of what they're talking about? But from what I can gather, you are imposing a rule about junior members being able to only post in the general chat area only, such as the Introduction Forum? -and pasting FAQ/Rule link all over the boards?

Well before we get into all that. Let me just explain the moderation team in this community is very lenient. This is what makes this place such a nice / kind hearted community. We don't want to "force" you to follow all the guidelines, but encourage you all to "try" and follow them. We all dealt with repetitive questions and provide the same answer over and over again. There is no way to stop these questions from arising, it's just something we all have to deal with. I've learn this the hard way from other forums I've moderate before and that was years of experiences.

Also, if you've been PM'ed by a moderator, gotten a warning, or did something you think that has affected your reputation in a negative way from the view of the Moderation / Staff Team. Just try to accept it and learn from your mistake to not do it again. As I've said before, we're all quite lenient and will ignore your (first warning) mistake, if it doesn't happen again.


Happy reading and posting,

~syia


p.s. Just watch out for Para and stay on his good side. :P

[LITTLE BY LITTLE]

Thank you very much,syia.
Your explanation is very polite.
I regard the thing written by you as I have understood about 80%.
I can want now to be able to understand 100% early if possible

[jsnut]

i got a new idea
how about when any time in the future if someone asks a question that can be answered in the FAQ, we just reply with "Read the FAQS"
and the same goes for when someone posts in the wrong section
this won't help for new members however, but it'll at least make the current new members read the FAQS and Rules
That was what I used to do until I got tired. You can try though. :p

[orka]

I am against applying any more restrictions toward new users. I am aware that it is frustrating for the moderators to relocate threads (and send a warning) each time somebody unfamiliar to these boards 'go against the rules'... But let's admit it. This is a large website, and the overwhelming breadth of topics on the forums can easily confuse a new member. We all make mistakes sometimes, and overlooking those mistakes by the few is a expected compensation for being a part of large web community like this.

[burnout]

I am against applying any more restrictions toward new users. I am aware that it is frustrating for the moderators to relocate threads (and send a warning) each time somebody unfamiliar to these boards 'go against the rules'... But let's admit it. This is a large website, and the overwhelming breadth of topics on the forums can easily confuse a new member. We all make mistakes sometimes, and overlooking those mistakes by the few is a expected compensation for being a part of large web community like this.


i agree to that. and i'll tell you guys from a personal and mod's point of view view that i hardly read any FAQs or Rules in the past or previous forums i've inhabited. rather, i pick things up along the way. i've moved my fair share of wrong topic post from various categories. i just PM the user about what he/she did and what should be done and that was the last time i need to do anything with that user.

people are lazy, you cant shove an engine in their ass and expect them to start moving. give them a break and apply the three strikes rule before any ban. that's my moderating policy. :cool:

[NeoHunter008]

When you sign up at a forum, there is always a thing that says "Read the rules/FAQ", and most people skip over it, but the implication is still there that, if you wanted to join HF or any online group/forum, you should have read and become accustomed to the ruleset at said forum/group.

I would apply the three strike rule, and once a rule/s were broken three times, a ban would set in motion. Of course, the first time the ban would be a few days, next a month, and after that 3 months.

If after a 3 month period, said member can not grasp the rules, or just does not want to follow the rules, then they are permanently banned.

Not everyone will agree with ideals like this, belive me I speak from experience here, but you may notice that, its almost always the people who break rules or do somthing wrong/in the wrong, that are complaigning.

Just my two cents though.

[syia]

Thank you very much,syia.
Your explanation is very polite.
I regard the thing written by you as I have understood about 80%.
I can want now to be able to understand 100% early if possible

私が言ったことに関する80%がわかりますか? 非常に良い! あなたは私の文でどんな部分を理解していませんか? 私に言ってください。私は、より明確に説明しようとするでしょう。

私は、あなたの言語で話すのに英日翻訳プログラムを使用しています。

[InitialF]

When you sign up at a forum, there is always a thing that says "Read the rules/FAQ", and most people skip over it, but the implication is still there that, if you wanted to join HF or any online group/forum, you should have read and become accustomed to the ruleset at said forum/group.

I would apply the three strike rule, and once a rule/s were broken three times, a ban would set in motion. Of course, the first time the ban would be a few days, next a month, and after that 3 months.

If after a 3 month period, said member can not grasp the rules, or just does not want to follow the rules, then they are permanently banned.

Not everyone will agree with ideals like this, belive me I speak from experience here, but you may notice that, its almost always the people who break rules or do somthing wrong/in the wrong, that are complaigning.

Just my two cents though.

I agree with you there, as some people make mistakes once in a while.
and people should learn from their mistakes. if their dumb enough not to get it, then what else can we do rite??
as for people speaking languages other than english. I'm sure that someone in this community speak your language. so dont be affraid to post something in your language, providing you tell us that it is jap(for example) in the subject line.

[LITTLE BY LITTLE]

Thanks you,syia....I am using the translation page of a site.
When I rearranged and guessed your post to me using it, it became the following Japanese description.
However, the word which I cann't translated in part was in it.＜＞
Firli、あなたがメンバーのポストを報告する場合、即時の負の効果はありません。そこにはメンバーがﾈ ｶﾞﾃｨｳﾞな評判ポイントのように不良会員などであることを示す点数制はありません。しかしながら、メン バーの＜vaild＞理由のないポストの報告は私たちをちょうど悩ますでしょう。しかし、ほとんどの場合で は、それが<irriating>になるまで、私たちはそれをちょうど無視するでしょう。その後、乱用、その!報告書の特徴について私たちは 、＜quetion＞の中の人とやりとりをするでしょう。私たちはスレッドが違う場所に作られている場合や 規則違反、複写あるいは一般的なスパムに対してその!特徴を報告する事をメンバーに使用するように促進しま す。そして記録のために、私たちはコミュニティーに問題を引き起こしたメンバーをBANします 。
今私は、オリジナルのポスターLITTLE BY LITTLEのものに関して理解するのは困難です。そしてあなたを立腹させないようにもちろん、LITTL E BY LITTLE、あなたの母国語が英語ではないと私が理解することができるので私の英語はだからといってよい わけではないということです。
したがって彼らが話しているものについて誰か反撃することができますか？しかし、私が集めることができるも のから、イントロダクション・フォーラムのような一般雑談エリアのみの単にポストに有能な少年会員に関する 規則を課しています?―また、ボードの至る所でFAQ/支配リンクをはること?私たちがすべてにそれを入れる前に、わき出てください。私はこのコミュニティーのm oderationチームが非常に柔和であることを単に説明します。これはこの場所をそのようなよい/親切なコミュニティーにするものです。私たちは、ガイドラインすべてに続くことはあなたに「強いない」が、 「試みて」、かつそれらに続くようにあなた方全員を激励します。私たちはすべて反復の質問に対処し、度も繰 り返して同じ答えを示します。これらの質問が発生するのを止める方法はありません、それはそうです、私たち がすべて扱わなければならない単にもの。私は持っています、これを学習する、私が以前に適度にしておく他の フォーラムからの困難な方法およびそれは数年間の経験でした。さらに、あなたがmoderatorによって PM'edされたか、警告を持っているか、思うものをしたならば、それは、適度/スタッフチームの視界からの否定の方法であなたの評判に影響しました。それを受理しそれを再び行わないため にあなたの誤りから学習しようとただしてください。私が以前に言ったことがあるように、私たちはすべて全く 柔和で、それが再び起こらない場合、あなたの(1回目の警告）誤りを無視するでしょう。

[syia]

Firli、あなたがメンバーのポストに悪いレポートにマークする場合、どんな即座の悪い効果も起こらない でしょう。 例えば、悪評ポイントのようにメンバーが悪人であることを示すために、ポイントシステムは全く ありません。 しかしながら、もっともな理由なしでメンバーのポストを報告すると、ただ、私たちはいらいらす るでしょう。 しかし、ほとんどの場合で, 私たちはただそれを無視するつもりです。 それが厄介になるまで、 そして、私たちはレポート機能を乱用している人に対応するつもりです。

私たちは、メンバーがレポート機能を使用するよう奨励します: 正しい方法でポスト/糸を修正するために、 規則への違反、 同じポストの複製, または、一般的なスパム

そして、記録のために、 私たちは共同体に問題を引き起こすメンバーを追放します。

現在、オリジナルのポスターのように。 私は、LITTLE BY LITTLEポストが関することを理解するのに苦労しています。 私のengrishはそんなに良くはありません。 もちろん あなたを怒らせない、LITTLE BY LITTLE。 私が、あなたの母国語がenglishのものでないことを理解できるので。 それで、だれかが彼らが何に関して話すかの概要を再び投函できますか? 現在、私が少し理解できることから。 あなたは一般的なチャット領域だけに掲示するできる少年会員に関する規則を課していますか? 序論フォーラムなどのように? または、FAQ/規則を置くように、板全体にわたってリンクしてくださいか?

さて私たちがそのすべてに入る前に。 この共同体の議長チームが非常に寛大であると説明させてください。 これはこの場所をそのような/楽しい種類心の共同体にすることです。 あなたがすべてのガイドラインに従うのを「強制したいと思いません」。 しかし、あなた方が皆、それらを「試み」て、続くよう奨励してください。 私たちは皆、反復性の質問に対処して、同じ答えを幾重にも提供します。 これらの質問が起こるのを止める方法が全くありません。 それはただ私たちが皆、対処しなければならない何かです。 私は以前世話をしたことがある他のフォーラムから困難な方法でこれを学ばせます。 そして、それは2年間の経験でした。

また、あなたが議長によるPM'edであるなら、Moderation/スタッフTeamの視点から負の方法で警告を得たか、またはそれが影響したあなたが、思う何かにあなたの評 判をしました。 それを受け入れて、誤りから再びそれをしないことをただ学ぶようにしてください。 私が以前言ったことがあるように、それが再び起こらないなら、私たちは皆、かなり寛大であり、あなたの(最 初に、警告)誤りを無視するつもりです。


読書することで幸福で掲示しています、

~syia


p.s. ただParaに注意してください、そして、彼の良い側にいてください。


翻訳は疑わしい品質です

[LITTLE BY LITTLE]

syia,Your translation can be considered to be it of me to me with it being almost the same. Supposing that is right, there is no recognition whose I still received warning also at once. It was merely at once in in the past that my status was a guest. I think that it may be warning. And I may also have those who are setting me to IgnoreMember, without emitting warning. It is very sad for me. The direct cause in which I made this thread is that torrent of REAL LOLI went up. And I was shocked by my heart. And I also looked at POST which hongfire is having a dialog as those who were BAN(ed) about Proxy use. I think that I may be somewhat pessimistic human being. I may be that it was thought that I exerted coercion on other members. I want to exercise self-control in post for a while. I was so enthusiastic about hongfirecom.
If I have misunderstanding about your post, I will correct immediately.That I had a dialog except the Japanese in English is experience that this site is the first, for me.
Thanks a lot...
EDIT:But I can't put up with post.
The great friend comforted me.
I already withdraw the above sentence.