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  • Why does hentai have so much violence/rape towards women?

    Okay before you think I'm here to complain - I AM NOT. Basically my FIRST exposure to anime was surprise, surprise La Blue Girl more then two decade agos...like back in the nineties. I loved it, I was just a teenager and it..hmmm, planted a seed in my head hehe.

    Since then I've been around the hentai community for a long time lurking, writing my own stories and artwork about heroines bad ends....so I get it. Yet my stories have always been seeing the heroine succumb to pleasure undeniable ...corruption if you will. Its also the type of eroge I enjoy, yet I've never had such a fantasy in real life. Even tying up my girlfriend once was more for her benefit then mine...go figure! She bought the soft rope!

    Yet so much of hentai focuses on the rape or "forced" aspect, its not just anime but almost dare I say - part of some kinda Japanese sexual culture. I mean just look at the sheer amount of doujin or CG released with this theme too!

    Now I've been to Japan and thought I never saw it direct, soon after I DID see the movie Lost in Translation with Bill Murray that felt very familiar to anybody thats been to japan (I even stayed in the same hotel!) and there is this scene that...speaks volumes about what I mean. As if rape culture is not only part of their culture but dare I say sexually desired in play between couples....yet not.

    Just watch the clip, its very funny.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPQ6VQzuyxU

    So taking that into account and the SHEER amount of anime hentai released WITH rape themes in them, I suddenly wondered WHY to myself. You don't see this in any other culture of erotica (from Europe to the US) - at least not to such an extent. The few studio's that do film porn with rape in it (obviously pretend) are VERY niche and even online stories, which are everywhere are far from popular (incest, next to wife sharing/watching holds that award).

    Again I'm not complaining, I'm not here to be judgmental or defend it - I'm just curious as to WHY this exists to the extent it does in Japan. Its not just their anime hentai, you see it in all types of media and yes, the youtube clip is funny it also DOES speak to something of their culture in some odd way.

    I felt this is THE community to discuss such a topic and I'd love to hear others thoughts on why this is or your opinions!
    Last edited by Tentacle Bandit; 07-01-2014, 02:52 PM.

  • #2
    I think Japan has some weird attitudes about how women should be pure and innocent and not interested in sex, but when you watch porn of course you want some hardcore fucking. So if you put a proper unsullied woman who doesn't want sex in porn, well, of course sex with somebody who doesn't want it is rape.

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    • #3
      Shouldn't this thread be in the hentai discussion topic? It's a generic question directed towards cultural erotic preferences isn't it?

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      • #4
        It's more of a cultural thing. Japan is traditionally a very patriarchal society, and Western influences have been muddying the waters in that pond for several generations. It's still very common for women to be pressured into giving up their jobs upon getting married, even though a lot of Japanese women are unhappy about it. Meanwhile, a lot of Japanese men feel threatened by any kind of gender equality, especially if dear old mom decided to get her licks in early and often. So 'putting women in their place' has a lot of appeal to a certain fairly large demographic. If you check out JAV, you'll see a large percentage of it deals with bullying or badgering reluctant/unwilling women into having sex. It's all about being 'in charge' or 'better than.' And actually, there's a lot of men with the same feelings on our side of the pond. Just, 'political correctness' makes it a lot more difficult to express here because there are so many people just looking for something to be pissed off about.

        Also, from what I see, the majority of H games are pretty vanilla. It's just the others that get all the attention. We have plenty of our own vanilla porn, so it's largely the folks who are starved for politically incorrect material that get those other titles noticed here.

        ja ne

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        • #5
          Some slight research shows that the top selling éroges of a year seem to be vannilla styled indeed, but also note that the éroge industry in itself is a niche buisness. There are lots of "normal" (whatever that means) people in japan too. And judging a country's social climate by the niche porn it produces seems a bit off to me. That being said, rape fantasys are pretty common in both males and females with about 40% of males in a study reporting that they're fantasizing about being raped by a female sometimes too. So, I guess the question should extend to why there is so little female-on-male rape in éroge. VNDB reports only about 250 games containing "reverse rape" much less then even 1/20 of the games featuring the opposite.

          But social aspects clearly figure into this. Another theory is that females fantasize about rape because it frees them from the societally induced guilt that comes with giving in to their own sexuality, which is much more depressing thought then males just needing an outled for their sexual fantasies.

          On a side note: Weirdly, I'm more creeped out by an éroge providing someone with a "perfect" loving and caring female girlfriend as a fantasy then by those featuring lots of rape. What do ya'll make of that?

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          • #6
            I don't like either, if we talk about a girlfriend like for example in Shuffle! "my reason for existence is taking care of you! Cooking! Cleaning!". That's, yes, seriously creepy.
            But most of the time I think the "romance" part in most eroge relationships is actually extremely shallow, it rarely feels like the protagonist really loves the heroine, more like "well, I accidentally ended up with her and she has big breasts so everything is fine". I really only can come up with very few examples that give of a different feel, and since I'm on the topic of Navel vns I guess I have to mention Tsuriotsu - that really (for the main heroine at least) managed to achieve that kind of "deep" mutual devotion that felt like more than a casual youth relationship that might hold a while or might not (ironically especially in the choice where the main guy refuses to an "equal relationship" and stays the girls "subordinate" ^^; ).

            And then those protagonists, who, for one reason or another, are a loser in life and then go on to rape women as a revenge ... well, that's pretty crazy as well and I really don't understand the appeal in that (I mean it's different if they actually do it for revenge in a justifiable sense, or whatever ... it doesn't make it "fine", but it's a different thing).

            In any case I wouldn't be surprised if, in addition to the things already mentioned, also the literature background of Japan plays a certain role; I mean, there's lots of story based on honor, and loss of honor, and for women that's usually, as mentioned, got a lot to do with whom they have sex with, so it's kind of already a mainstream topic since forever for Japanese authors - although of course not in the pornographic sense, but it's not a huge leap from a princess who commits suicide after being threatened to get raped once her father lost a war or something to, well, a princess who gets raped before she manages to kill herself ^^;

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            • #7
              I think John Ince gave a pretty good definition on what "porn" is, and that they are just images (though I consider any media -- auditory, novel, gameplay, etc.) that are meant to trigger sexual arousal in a person. Ince explains further that we all have our own individual triggers to make us sexually aroused, which we call "fetishes". For example, some people find the sight of naked feet sexually arousing, while others get sexually aroused from fantasy themes (tentacles are a good example). Ince believed that these triggers are unique to each person based on their experiences, where they often find sexual excitement from some external object and build a natural conditioning towards it. For example, I got into tentacle porn because I like double-penetration of women, and I found a lot of tentacle porn that gave this to me -- so I became a tentacle fan. Therefore, any kind of porn is just a manifestation of a fantasy that has been created by the content creator using their fetishes as the driving force for the content, in my view.

              So, maybe its just some experiences with the content creators in Japan that encourage them to have this rape-fetish. Maybe TSR is right that its a cultural thing in Japan which encourages this fetish. Or it could be other men (and maybe women) who have these fetishes have other reasons for developing it outside of Japan's culture. I don't think its safe to assume this fetish is created entirely by conservative, sexist creators. I'm curious on what other reasons might trigger this fetish. I heard some rumors that women have a lot of rape fantasies, and I often suspected that they develop this fetish so they could get their sexual fun while still remaining innocent. In North American culture, women are taught to always shy away from sex by learning all the nasty things that come from it. On the other hand, this is a pretty sexist theory from me as I did say that "a lot of women have this fantasy", so I could be wrong. But it might be a theory on why this fetish is popular as well.

              Personally, I would like to see more porn that doesn't include rape. I mostly enjoyed all of the hentai-metroidvania games released last year (2013) on DLSite -- but WHY do I always have to play as the "victim" in these scenes? I'd like to see a hentai-metroidvania game where I could play as a sexually-liberated character (either gender) who could engage in willing, consensual sex for power-ups to make progress. But this emphasizes a problem I see with porn is that there isn't enough variety outside of rape. I know there is some porn that may not have this fetish from Japan, such as "Otome" games (reverse gender dating simulation games with a female protagonist saving the world while wooing handsome men). However, These are rare exceptions that are recognized outside of the entire porn industry. If Ince is right that constant exposure to something sexually arousing leads people to assume it is sexually arousing, then most people would speculate that "porn = rape". So, there might be social feedback coming from various sources claiming that all hentai (or any porn) is rape, because this is the bulk of the porn industry. I understand that "rape" is a popular fetish to some people, but "rape" isn't the only fetish people get hard/wet from. "Variety is the spice of life", and I would like to see more variety in my porn.

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              • #8
                Personally I prefer strong, capable heroines both in and out of hentai, but in the hentai case it's not so much wanting to see them put "in their place" as preferring worthy "opponents." Otherwise it's like... congratulations, you beat some perfectly ordinary, helpless, unassuming girl. Whee.

                Granted, I also tend to go for games where the sex scenes embellish the existing story and conflict as opposed to being the only story and conflict. Die Hard with sex, or Alien with sex, or Game of Thrones with (more) sex, etc, as opposed to "I took a picture of you changing, leave your boyfriend and become my sex slave or I'll post it on the Internet!" #164463.
                I wish those who unsettle you would castrate themselves.
                - Galatians 5:12

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                • #9
                  Dunno, there are a number of games that folks rave about when it comes to good romance. Certain Leaf and Key titles come to mind. On the other hand, the more generic stuff cranked out by smaller companies tends to have lower production values, including writing quality. And as you stray towards nukige, story becomes increasingly irrelevant except as a vehicle to create sex scenarios.

                  And note that I brought up JAV, as it's not a niche thing. Japan is the largest live porn producing country in the world, with many times the output of the US. Rape and dominance themes are rampant in JAV. And people often comment that, even in fully consensual scenes, it's not uncommon for the woman to cry and scream as if she's being raped. This tends to suggest there's a huge market for it. Also note that Japanese culture is traditionally extremely repressive. People are a lot less open about sharing their feelings, so a lot of stuff gets bottled up. And you either find a vicarious way to blow off some steam, or you go postal. And it doesn't help that it's a pretty exploitive culture in a lot of ways. If the boss says that the work force has to come in and work on Sunday without pay, for the good of the company, they do it and they don't bitch about it in public. Mind, the boss works, too, but that isn't much consolation to the guy who never sees his family or can't find time to get a real girlfriend. And folks with a lot of deep resentments seldom want to watch happy porn. They'd much rather stick it to somebody lower on the pecking order, even if only vicariously. Or, preferably vicariously, as you're less likely to make the headlines that way.

                  Pretty much, you'll find folks with similar issues everywhere. Japan just has a bigger focus due to cultural issues. China is probably much the same, except they suppress porn there, so it gets driven even farther underground and outsiders don't see it.

                  ja ne

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by TSR View Post
                    And people often comment that, even in fully consensual scenes, it's not uncommon for the woman to cry and scream as if she's being raped.
                    That reminds me, I also think they have a vastly different view on what actually counts as rape/sexual harassment or how bad it actually is. In Majikoi for example (which sucks btw, and don't believe anyone who into that ridiculous hype telling you otherwise ^^) the protagonist has some trouble getting one of the girls around - she obviously loves him but refuses to act on her feelings (which is her damn right, in case that isn't clear) - so he devices the genius plan of basically breaking into her room at night and raping her after which he believes she won't have a choice to "be honest with herself". Of course instead of traumatizing her for life it actually works out, in the end. ^^

                    And, obviously, that game is meant to be comedy and pure love and all ... ^^

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by TSR View Post
                      And people often comment that, even in fully consensual scenes, it's not uncommon for the woman to cry and scream as if she's being raped.
                      Or just lie there like a corpse.
                      I wish those who unsettle you would castrate themselves.
                      - Galatians 5:12

                      Elysium update thread: http://www.hongfire.com/forum/showthread.php?t=291459
                      Latest version: 0.11 (March 31st, 2012)

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Pyottl View Post
                        That reminds me, I also think they have a vastly different view on what actually counts as rape/sexual harassment or how bad it actually is. In Majikoi for example (which sucks btw, and don't believe anyone who into that ridiculous hype telling you otherwise ^^) the protagonist has some trouble getting one of the girls around - she obviously loves him but refuses to act on her feelings (which is her damn right, in case that isn't clear) - so he devices the genius plan of basically breaking into her room at night and raping her after which he believes she won't have a choice to "be honest with herself". Of course instead of traumatizing her for life it actually works out, in the end. ^^

                        And, obviously, that game is meant to be comedy and pure love and all ... ^^
                        There does seem to be a lot of rape-themed porn that tries turning around and make it consensual sex, at least based on what I seen. For example, the OP talked about corruption mechanics, which is used in popular porn-games "Violated Heroine", "Corruption of Champions", or any other game. Generally it seems like the mechanic makes the female protagonist more aroused and excited by the rape, rather than fight and feel depressed by it. Subtle changes are made in the same rape scene, where the female protagonist might be screaming "no" or "stop" at the beginning with a low corruption score. But a female protagonist with a high corruption score would be talking dirty or encouraging her rapist.

                        On the other hand, "rape" is also difficult to define as it is a vague, subjective title to a sexual experience. In North America "rape" is defined as a person not giving consent towards sex. However the example Pyottl gave seems to imply that all men have to just be aggressive and "make" women consent to enjoying the sex during the session, so it isn't "rape". Corruption-mechanics seems to work this way as well by changing the female protagonist's consent.

                        Maybe a lot of porn attach this trope to rape-themed fetishes to alleviate any guilt?

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                        • #13
                          I slightly updated my topic post to reflect this was topic was more about anime hentai in general rather then specific to eroge or one type of hentai. When I thought of this topic I was LOOKING at all the new doujin released and it just kinda hit me how so many of them had nonconsensual content. I was talking in general which many here seem to have understood and its been very interesting to read the comments above.

                          One thing too, is the acceptance of rape hentai in their culture too - you know I don't think any country would allow games, jav or whatever to be sold so freely with rape content like its sold in Japan. Yes I know one could argue that the states is too conservative but I don't think I could name any euro country or any country at all that would so freely sell this kind of material/content as Japan does.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by TSR View Post
                            And note that I brought up JAV, as it's not a niche thing. Japan is the largest live porn producing country in the world, with many times the output of the US. Rape and dominance themes are rampant in JAV. And people often comment that, even in fully consensual scenes, it's not uncommon for the woman to cry and scream as if she's being raped. This tends to suggest there's a huge market for it. Also note that Japanese culture is traditionally extremely repressive. People are a lot less open about sharing their feelings, so a lot of stuff gets bottled up. And you either find a vicarious way to blow off some steam, or you go postal. And it doesn't help that it's a pretty exploitive culture in a lot of ways. If the boss says that the work force has to come in and work on Sunday without pay, for the good of the company, they do it and they don't bitch about it in public. Mind, the boss works, too, but that isn't much consolation to the guy who never sees his family or can't find time to get a real girlfriend. And folks with a lot of deep resentments seldom want to watch happy porn. They'd much rather stick it to somebody lower on the pecking order, even if only vicariously. Or, preferably vicariously, as you're less likely to make the headlines that way.
                            Interesting point. I never cared about JAV, can you give some numbers for that? Like how many of the yearly output is rape themed? And about that comments, are those by japanese people themselves or foreigners commenting on JAV?
                            Would also be interesting to know how much of JAV shows sexually open, outgoing woman, in relation to the other stuff.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by JAHT View Post
                              Interesting point. I never cared about JAV, can you give some numbers for that? Like how many of the yearly output is rape themed? And about that comments, are those by japanese people themselves or foreigners commenting on JAV?
                              Would also be interesting to know how much of JAV shows sexually open, outgoing woman, in relation to the other stuff.
                              I personally don't know exact numbers, but I visit a couple jav sites frequently and the raped themed titles are usually represented in the same amount as all the other themed movies. There are also plenty of titles with sexually open portrayed women, at least from what I've seen they are well balanced overall. Don't know how much it is different in the grand scheme of things though.^^
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