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    Help with the petition text! (was originally on the second page) We may still have minor fixes.
    We also need someone with good Japanese to translate it!
    thedarkangel is maintaining a pdf version of the petition text for paper mails.

    There's also a similar petition, a joint letter by Dan Kanemitsu, that you can support as well!

    See also Yestofreedom.org thread - Document on eroge

    Shiranaihito has written a letter to UN CEDAW Comittee (you should read his note as well)


    Originally posted by Petition Title
    Petition Against the Persecution of Japanese Erotic Arts
    Originally posted by Petition Description
    We ask that the government of Japan rejects any new legislation which bans or regulates the production, sale or possession of erotic artwork.
    Originally posted by Petition Text
    The American feminist group "Equality Now" has started a campaign against the freedom of content in fictitious depictions in Japanese adult games, to include games produced only for sale on Japanese soil and games produced for offshore distribution as well [1].

    The claim is that these fictitious depictions violate the terms of CEDAW, which require Japan "to modify the social and cultural patterns of conduct of men and women, with a view to achieving the elimination of prejudices and customary and all other practices which are based on the idea of the inferiority of either of the sexes or on stereotyped roles for men and women." [2] Also involved is Article 14 of the Japanese Constitution, which guarantees equality under the law and states that there shall be no "discrimination in political, economic or social relations because of race, creed, sex, social status or family origin." [2]

    It is unclear, however, how in their claims they relate and conclude that the production of games fictitiously depicting hardcore genres of eroge, which may involve raping a woman or a man, actually violate these laws. It behooves us to remind the public and government that depiction and actual acts differ both vastly and deeply, similar to the ways thinking of something and actually doing it differ from each other. In addition, there was no attempt to show a correlation between the mentioned eroge genre "rape" and actual crime rates. We would like to point out the _fact_ that the rape crime rate of Japan is among the lowest worldwide. [3] And also, during the whole period, no evidence, scientific or otherwise, to support their claims has ever been presented.

    Therefore, the accusing organization has yet to form a solid connection between the content of these games and the laws they are invoking.

    However, even with such vague arguments, a provocative pressure has emerged in Japanese media, and now adult game producers are facing potential changes in laws in Japan regarding adult games, which would force them to exclude a large variety of eroge genres as taboo. This in turn is a clear violation of Freedom of Speech, which is declared under the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Article 19.

    Considering the recent history of events [1], it is possible to think that the underlying motivation of mentioned American feminist group is mere conjecture on the part of the group regarding the evolution of Japanese social structure over time, and its implications as a result of interaction with other countries, including the United States and the United Nations. The aforementioned group is well-known from their past activities to be against a large number of sexual fetishes as well as women being portrayed within pornography in general, regardless of a consensual agreement, and pushing instead for their choice of the ideal image of women they would like to see _everywhere_ [4], which would make this social interaction a threat in their eyes. As an extension to this, we believe that underlying motivation of the group is questionable, that is to say, this might be an attempt to _use_ United Nations' regulations and laws of Japan to bend future works by Japanese adult game manufacturers to their own will in order to impose their personal ethical/social values and expectations in Japan, which are not necessarily compatible with the views of the Japanese people.

    Their direct demand of the Japanese government to impose various bans and regulations within Japan, and failure to mention possible regulations of games for overseas supports these arguments, whereas their focus on the depiction of the abuse of women and failure to mention the depiction of the physical abuse of males while arriving at generalized conclusions in their advertised sample letter to government officials [2] leaves their sincerity of their concerns about the CEDAW term they invoke, which focuses on both sexes on equal footing, in question.

    Also, if this campaign, which is without a solid legal basis, spearheaded by Equality Now succeeds (considering their perspective and expectations as a group), it is likely that they will use this one event as a basis to induce further and more harsh regulations in Japan based extensively upon their will to shape the whole world in accordance with their personal views, and to inflict their personal justice by means of manipulating the executives via amorphous philosophical arguments and bending the actual laws in the near future.

    We finally would like to point out that many of the adult games in question are made only for distribution in Japan and are not permitted by their manufacturers to be sold in foreign countries. Therefore, a foreign organization such as Equality Now should not have the right to dictate the content of such materials, since the Japanese government, people and corporations have the right to manage their own sovereign affairs.

    In light of all these, we hereby request from Japanese government to cease caving to the pressure initiated by Equality Now without solid legal or moral foundations, and of the EOCS to stand on their principles and protect adult game producers in this matter.
    Modifications/additions/suggestions guys! Come on!
    This is my first time of an attempt to write a legalese, I'm an engineer not lawyer. I hope someone who's familiar with the jargon comes up soon.
    I should also point out that English is not my mother language, so it may need grammatical/structural corrections as well.
    We are also allowed to attach a list of URLs, I'm thinking of adding one from Sankaku Complex, one from Canned Dogs, and from Equality Now's site and one from Wikipedia (Freedom of Speech)
    And this one: http://www.unodc.org/pdf/crime/eighthsurvey/8sv.pdf
    Also required is a petition title and a short (25 words max) petition description.



    (my original first post begins here )


    I've been reading the stuff going on, primary on Canned Dogs, and we have several debates on the topic around.

    Various eroge producers who are facing this thread have disabled foreign access to their websites as a reaction to hentai censorship. You should read the notice minori's homepage

    However, I think threat big for us too! To my surprise, nowhere on the net was I able to find a protest campaign against this ban, led by Equality Now. At least in any site in English. These guys actually need our help.

    I personally took Minori's advice and sent my complain to officials . I think you guys should do as well.

    The so-called Equality Now is pretty active in putting pressure, just check out their campaign page. If you check out that page, you'll see template letters they prepared for their supporters to send to Illusion, Amazon and worst, Japanese officials Obviously, they are able to put pressure on them.

    I think we should start a campaign as well. I'm no good with legalese or such stuff so I can't write a good "template mail" to send Japanese officials, but well, I did my call. Hopefully, someone here might prepare a good template for us all.

    From what I see from Sankaku Complex's summary of events, I don't think that Equality Now has a strong legal basis. The legal arugment they're invoking is

    Originally posted by their template mail
    Japan has an obligation under Article 5(a) of Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women (CEDAW) “to modify the social and cultural patterns of conduct of men and women, with a view to achieving the elimination of prejudices and customary and all other practices which are based on the idea of the inferiority of either of the sexes or on stereotyped roles for men and women.”
    which is quite a vague statement. However, I don't think it's that vague to conclude that these fictional depictions are "social and cultural pattern of conduct of men and women" or "discrimination in political, economic or social relations because of race, creed, sex, social status or family origin"

    they're just taking the advantage of common taboos and gathering a herd to bend Japan to their will (see Sankaku's website for reference links):

    An Irish rag on a slow news day picks up the story that importers have been selling Rapelay via Amazon. The theme is that the game encourages rape and is child pornography.

    Amazon completely drops the product, including in Japan. Other retailers soon follow suit.

    Feminist busybody group “Equality Now”, which organises spam campaigns to keep its members busy without actually having to deal with problems directly, targets the game, accusing it of human rights violations and telling the Japanese government it should be banning this sort of thing, like low crime paradises such as the UK.

    The developers tell the foreign feminists to get lost.

    Soon after the Rapelay developers cave in and completely remove the game from distribution.

    Equality Now’s Japanese lawyer (the group has no presence in Japan) drums up anti-eroge media attention.

    A Japanese diet member, an avowed feminist, picks up on the scandal and starts calling for a ban. Objections start with the opposition and minor parties and soon the ruling party jumps onto the bandwagon.

    A “study group” is organised to decide how best to ban the games.

    Broadcaster TBS falsely reports that the EOCS has banned the games.

    The EOCS bans the games.

    At no point at any time has any evidence that such games (which amount to illustrated novels) contribute to sexual assault been presented.

    I'd like to point out that if they're actually standing on principle, whole gaming world 90% should face their doom, for almost all games depict some sort of violence (which is regulated by similar rules, under human rights), both against men and women, and no one is trying to censor them --where's Equality Now?
    Mind you that such games are labeled as such, and are not forced to remove their contents.
    Nor there is such big fuss about Japanese AVs or even US' own extreme stuff. And thing is, they are yet to form a solid connection between fictional depictions and the legal terms they are invoking, which is not equal to manipulative protesting voice of a group of feminsts, or zillions of copy-paste mails.

    There's a lot of hyporicsy going around in this business, so please, even if you're not into the hardcore stuff, stand on principle and write to Japanese government. Or do something.
    Last edited by truehentai; 07-25-2009, 09:23 AM.
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  • #2
    This pressure will hopefully be ultimately ignored by the Japanese government, who will hopefully pull that law from the books before it causes too much damage. I mean the WORST that "equality now" can do if the government ignores the hate mail, is just write more hate mail. They have NO power, unless the people they target actually GIVE IN to their complaints.

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    • #3
      also if i may suggest not writing or doing anything uncivilized, such as "you guys suck give back my rape games". On a professional and persistent level it should be more effective if people want to voice their complaint. Reading that Equality Now crap i must say they really are pathetic, can't do a damn thing about the real deal. I've done my part though, no matter how small it feels good to do something to protect what we are into no matter how against the norm it may seem to others, just gotta see how it goes from here.
      business as usual

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      • #4
        Duplicate thread. This is already being discussed.

        http://www.hongfire.com/forum/showthread.php?t=105710
        Good job everyone! Keep up the great work!
        Let me know if I can be of service to you.
        Hurry! Read the post! The mods are coming!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Videogamer View Post
          This pressure will hopefully be ultimately ignored by the Japanese government, who will hopefully pull that law from the books before it causes too much damage. I mean the WORST that "equality now" can do if the government ignores the hate mail, is just write more hate mail. They have NO power, unless the people they target actually GIVE IN to their complaints.
          They think they do, in a way. They are trying to invoke various terms Japan has commited. And wish they were hate mails, but they actually are not. They're, as you see, pulling off a campaign.

          Originally posted by Deuxsonic View Post
          Duplicate thread. This is already being discussed.

          http://www.hongfire.com/forum/showthread.php?t=105710
          As I referred earlier, there are already topics for debating the events. This topic on the other hand is a call for a campaign.
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            • #7
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              Good job everyone! Keep up the great work!
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              • #8
                Cool! Maybe we'll get lucky and that noisy groups will stop butting into other people's countries
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by truehentai View Post
                  They are trying to invoke various terms Japan has commited.
                  In other words they are trying to twist the meaning of preexisting laws to be for their own selfish benefit, as well as trying to demand new laws. Right?

                  I'm surprised I don't here about this big uproar on NBC Nightly News on TV.

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                  • #10
                    Umm... so how do we protest these fags, actually?

                    And why not use sites such as http://www.petitiononline.com/, http://www.petitionspot.com/, or http://www.ipetitions.com/
                    Last edited by berantacan; 07-11-2009, 02:24 AM.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Videogamer View Post
                      In other words they are trying to twist the meaning of preexisting laws to be for their own selfish benefit, as well as trying to demand new laws. Right?

                      I'm surprised I don't here about this big uproar on NBC Nightly News on TV.
                      Yup.
                      Technically, one of their arguments is not based on a law of Japanene government. It's a term from a UN regulation they signed off (for what purpose, I wonder. As if they had two seperate books of law or human rights for men and women. Probably came as an integral part of a UN regulation package).
                      The other one is exactly as you said.

                      These at hand, they probably can make Japan to impose new laws, if the government keeps acting so lenient.

                      Japanese government guys can't be idiots not to see that. Nor they would be willing to let a group of busybody american women bend their own people's lives as they like. On the other hand, they obviously won't be happy about the big mouth of media either, but I believe there's more to it than that for them to act so slow and cautious.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by truehentai View Post
                        Yup.
                        Technically, one of their arguments is not based on a law of Japanene government. It's a term from a UN regulation they signed off (for what purpose, I wonder. As if they had two seperate books of law or human rights for men and women. Probably came as an integral part of a UN regulation package).
                        The other one is exactly as you said.

                        These at hand, they probably can make Japan to impose new laws, if the government keeps acting so lenient.

                        Japanese government guys can't be idiots not to see that. Nor they would be willing to let a group of busybody american women bend their own people's lives as they like. On the other hand, they obviously won't be happy about the big mouth of media either, but I believe there's more to it than that for them to act so slow and cautious.
                        Actually leniency would be being lenient to hentai lovers. If they are lenient they will ignore the anti-hentai ideots.

                        And what UN thing? You mean the United Nations? Do you mean Japan has some anti-porn UN agreement? Or do you mean these "women's rights" groups made a UN agreement to try to abolish hentai?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by berantacan View Post
                          Umm... so how do we protest these fags, actually?

                          And why not use sites such as http://www.petitiononline.com/, http://www.petitionspot.com/, or http://www.ipetitions.com/
                          Great idea! We can start a petition there and after gathering enough people, we can write to Japanese goverment.
                          Meanwhile, I still think we should prepare a text to send to government as well.

                          I'm now starting a petition at ipetitions, here's the draft of petition text:

                          Moved to the first post

                          Once we're done with these, I will create & post the petition.

                          Originally posted by Videogamer
                          Actually leniency would be being lenient to hentai lovers. If they are lenient they will ignore the anti-hentai ideots.

                          And what UN thing? You mean the United Nations? Do you mean Japan has some anti-porn UN agreement? Or do you mean these "women's rights" groups made a UN agreement to try to abolish hentai?
                          Geez. I have been observing that people are trying to find a scapegoat, but please, don't take it on us at least. Some people like stuff, some just don't. It's kinda crazy to run after every people who hates us.

                          Yup, United Nations' womanly thingy.
                          Last edited by truehentai; 07-11-2009, 09:34 PM.
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                          • #14
                            It's ALL saved in the American site lu.scio.us. Ieven saw some fan made hentai parody picts based on Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind characters. Nausicaa was "doing", lots of people. Seen TONS of megaman ones. Apparently androids also have to "get it on".

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                            • #15
                              is it me or i just saw another thread similar to this one...

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