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  • Adam Orth says 'F*** Halo'... and David Jaffe posts it.

    Adam Orth, a game designer who worked on Twisted Metal: Black, Calling All Cars, and some of the Medal of Honor games - disses Halo3 and Mic

    Adam Orth says 'F*** Halo'... and David Jaffe posts it.

    # David Jaffe's blog Jaffe's Game Design is always an entertaining read, but the responses to a recent post should prove to be very entertaining in the coming days. After that, we expect a steady decline in response post quality.

    # You see, Jaffe ran a instant message log from a conversation between Adam Orth (a game designer who worked on Twisted Metal: Black, Calling All Cars, and some of the Medal of Honor games) and himself. And yes, in that conversation, Orth said "f*** Halo."

    # The conversation between the two was sparked by a new Halo 3 advertisement which the two weren't impressed with. The conversation moved into discussion about game's hype, as well as the game series itself. Of course, most of it was negative.

    # Jaffe says that he has his "flame suit" on, and invites Halo fans to "do their worst," but surprisingly, the responses are (mostly) readable, and some are even sensible! Who knew?

    # A tip of the hat to David Jaffe. The guy definitely has big balls to run something like that on his blog. As Microsoft would say, "Jump In" and say your piece.

    # Adam: give me a f***ing break:

    Jaffe: It's a decent add I think. I just don't get HALO. I don't think the story is all that special, don't think the world or characters matter much. I don't know if I am simply not 'getting it' and it really is all that...or Microsoft has simply purchased rabid fan reactions for what is a great game but nothing more.

    # Adam: that ad is insulting "believe"? come on

    Jaffe: Am I missing something? What's insulting about it?

    # Adam: well, for 1, i think it's disrespectful to actual veterans of real wars and 2, they really expect people to become that invested in the halo story? i guess i just really dislike halo and that ad ain't helping

    Jaffe: well that's what I mean about buying the hype. I don't dislike Halo at all and really liked parts of Halo 2 a lot...I am in minority who felt single player halo 2 was better than halo 1 single player. I mean, I hear people talk about the flood and shit and I'm like: what? Who gives a shit.

    # Adam: halo = meh

    Jaffe: As for disrespect, come Medal of Honor has not been doing he same for a long time. They talk about how important the games are and they are so earnest about it but come on, they are shooters. If they really cared about doing it right, they would give the MOH teams 3 years schedules and make Bioshock meets terms of story and character and production value. And they would make THAT the game Spielberg was directing for them.

    # Adam: respectfully, i'll totally disagree with you there. MOH games take a lot of care to not be disrespectful it's one of the things they do right

    Jaffe: While I LOVED MOH: Underground (top 10 games of all time for me) and dug the first one on PS2, emotionally, the most moved I ever was by MOH was with the music and seeing it played like over a montage of soldiers at Video Games Live.

    # Adam: well, i guess i have a different insight than you do having sat with veterans and talked about their experience and how it relates to the games...

    Jaffe: It's not an issue of disrespect to the troops. It's an issue of them riding on the sentimentality of people when they talk about how much they care and understand the sacrifice of the soldiers and then put out a sub par shooter that has nothing to do in the play mechanics or design with the sacrifice the soldiers went thru. It's all window dressing that shows either the team doesn't understand how to apply the history 'under the hood' and apply it to the play itself OR it shows that EA does not care about the message at all, and it's all a way to market the game.

    # ADAM: i agree that most of the finished products veer off from the original intent. it's big problem at EA for MOH

    JAFFE: They can cram all the sappy music and interviews with vets on the disc they want...but the game, the product they are actually selling, does not make me feel any closer to the vets sacrifice than any other shooter. Hey - can I post this discussion on my blog if I don't put your name?

    # ADAM: you can post my name...

    JAFFE: sweet - sadly it will rile up halo fans...hope they see that I DO LIKE HALO! I just don't get the religious fervor and feel much of the fervor has been purchased by Microsoft. But they'll still hate me

    # ADAM: f*** halo

    JAFFE: well they don't have your name! You can say that! Anyway - ok, gotta go! See ya! And please, for the love of God: LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE!!!!!

    # ADAM: actually, i stand by what i said, you can print my name, just leave out "f*** halo"

    JAFFE: shit really? Ok.

    # ADAM: ok, print it. f*** it

    JAFFE: cool, you got it.

  • #2
    Link to David Jaffe's Blog - Creator of God of War and Twisted Metal

    Because Jona doesn't know how to post sources.

    Halo Kitty!
    My Clannad Fanfic - "The After" After Story.
    <3 Married to hbun and Kouji-kun <3


    • #3
      David Jaffe's blog...

      I think thats more than hint you deepshit. People WITH A BRAIN wouldnt ask for a source when is ALREADY IN THE ARTICLE!

      Boy was that difficult!


      • #4
        that's more intersting than the arabic xbox dashboard
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        • #5
          That Halo Kitty pic never gets old XD

          I thought that that new commercial was kind of strange, the starry night one was better
          Hasn't changed avatar pic since joined in 2006 lawlz


          • #6
            The new ad actually made me mad. Doesn't matter since I'm not buying the game no matter how spectacular of an ad they can make.


            • #7
              I am not a particular fan of Halo series. The first one was good, second one was okay, but sure, I wouldn't spend my money in an overrated product.
              ~Mew mew~


              • #8
                Did you guys know they spend 10 million dollars on these diorama commercials?

                Yep, 10 million.
                My Clannad Fanfic - "The After" After Story.
                <3 Married to hbun and Kouji-kun <3


                • #9
                  I agree with Jaffe. Halo is a good game, but more experienced PC players that have been playing better FPS games for years should know... Halo isn't the best game ever nor is it the best FPS ever. I find it funny how "hardcore" fanboys can proudly say "HALO IS TEH BEST EVAR!!1!" while i have yet to hear what makes halo stand out or any better than the hundreds of FPS games out there such as call of duty or half life. I really hope Bioshock or COD4 beats halo out for GOTY on about every known review site or press.