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    Senior Citizens Break Into Military Base
    November 5, 2009 - 4:28 PM | by: Dan Springer

    The U.S. Navy is reviewing its security policies following an embarrassing breach this week in Washington State. Five anti-war protesters were able to cut through a perimeter fence around Naval Base Kitsap and walk around the base undetected for four and a half hours. The group included three people in the 60's and three in their 80's.

    The group was protesting the nuclear weapons kept at the base and hoped to get as close to them as possible. Members claim when they cut through a second and then a third fence they were within fifty yards of a bunker where nuclear warheads are stored. The Navy dismisses that but will not divulge how close the group got to weapons. It only released a statement saying that 'at no time was the safety of Navy personnel, property or the public threatened in any way.'

    The group was swarmed by Marines and arrested shortly after cutting through the third fence. They were charged with trespassing and destruction of military property, both misdemeanors punishable by up to a year in jail.

    Naval Base Kitsap is home to a fleet of 11 submarines. Eight of those subs are equipped to fire the trident nuclear missiles. Also, the base reportedly is the storage facility for more than 23-hundred nuclear warheads representing about one-quarter of the nation's nuclear arsenal.

    The protestors have all been released and are awaiting an initial appearance in federal court.

    http://liveshots.blogs.foxnews.com/2...est=latestnews

    What the article does not say is that this is another base that has outsourced security to an independent contractor because of severe budget cuts leading to base closures and a lowered homeland presence. I would think that congress would let the service protect at least our submarine bases themselves, especially under these circumstances. I know a higher number of subs were stationed there since it is also a training facility.
    My main beef is the fact that they are only being charged with misdemeanors, especially since others have been charged with felonys for planning(unproven) a possible civilian attack under the Patriot act. They should also whether they were anywhere near the nukes or not.
    It is time for the US government to protect our homeland and our citizens instead of bowing to the freaking treehuggers and antiamerican radicals. If they can do this who else could?
    Read some of the comments if you are so inclined.

    Just a small note.
    I hope that the survivors of the attack of military personel and civilians at Fort Hood by a disgruntled or unhinged Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan will be ok. This makes me sick.
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,572305,00.html
    Please Mr. Obama, let our military protect us and themselves and not have to count on independent contractors who apparently are not up to the job.
    Last edited by bobuild01; 11-05-2009, 10:54 PM.

  • #2
    That is all rather startling, especially if they really did get that close to the nukes...

    Combined with this Ft. Hood thing, especially considering the information coming out now about the guy who did it, it'd be hard to argue with your last sentence.

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    • #3
      We lost an Air Force base, a Coast Guard base, and an Army base in MI due to the cuts. These were considered part of our northern defence network but that also destroyed around 150,000, or more, civilian jobs over the last decade.
      I firmly believe that congress NEEDS to re-evaluate their decision to unprotect its citizens at home. Forget the dumb shit and do the jobs that need to be done first before we no longer need UHC or cap and trade.

      EDIT: I was very disappointed by Obama this afternoon when he made a 2:20 minute perfunctionary apology four minutes into his 30 minute thank you speech to the cap and trade conference members at 5:00 pm. That shows me his real priorities once again.
      Last edited by bobuild01; 11-05-2009, 10:50 PM.

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      • #4
        Dunno. Misdemeanor charges seem appropriate here, under the circumstances. The real crime is embarrassing the military and that wasn't their fault. They should have been caught at the first fence. And are civilian contractors really cheaper than doing it themselves? Bush over funded our military and they had to find ways to move their budgets and those spending programs are now entrenched. A lot of auditing needs to be done so that money is spent better. Though I fully agree that the military needs proper funding. A lot of the problem is that military financial needs tend to be variable while allocated budgets tend to be fixed, so any department that tries to save against a rainy day just gets their budgets axed. While the ones that throw it around like there's no tomorrow tend to get theirs increased. Stupid, but it's how things work.

        ja ne

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        • #5
          I guess that in some ways I might have been a little harsh on the old folks but after my service to my country people such as them labeled all of us who did serve "baby killers", and much worse, which colors my views. The youngest of them is only a few years older than myself so I know they probably thought they were making a political statement, but I see it in a slightly different light. Besides, even if they were charged under the PA they would be given the opportunity to plead out to the misdemeanor charges. I just believe in realistic deterrents.
          I do understand and agree with all your budgetary statements.

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          • #6
            I have only one question...

            Did any of the protestors look like this ?



            Did someone claimed to be a Peace Walker ?
            With a infinite number of universes, your life is interesting on one of them.

            We`ve got to part now, you and I, but dont be sad America. The Enclave is working tirelessly, to rebuild this great nation, so you dont have to. Until we meet again, this is President Zero, signing off.

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            • #7
              Well in one way you almost have to thank the people for showing the gaping flaw. Yes, they should be charged, but this should REALLY shake up the military. And the administration. Should these people be strung up or whatever? No.. With whatever punishment is doled out though perhaps a private 'thank you' might be in order from someone 'up there' enough who had been clueless of the state of things, (if such a person exists).

              Who should be punished? Well, we can start with this 'private contractor' for one... If it turns out to be Haliburton related...I'll tell ya... fan + crap = Interesting Television for one thing.

              More to the point, Bob's right on the mark that the Military'd do a much better job of policing it's areas. I think. I hope. It did when I was in. Then again, in this world, who knows?

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              • #8
                They dont have enough $$$!?

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                • #9
                  Well, most of you guys dont like the government anyway, don't like taxes, so what do you expect? You all have guns, so stand outside the fences of military bases and protect the damn sites yourself. (or point your guns the other way) depending whats your political colour.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Silver View Post
                    They dont have enough $$$!?

                    Yeah... geez... no one buys the "we dont have money" shit.

                    Go preach someone else TSR.

                    Still things like each the B-2 being worth more cash than the income of entire nations... are sure signs of how much retarded they are.

                    Geez... and they keep bitching about the economical crisis.

                    BOLLOCKS !

                    Cut the military budget on half and the crisis will be solved instanstly.
                    With a infinite number of universes, your life is interesting on one of them.

                    We`ve got to part now, you and I, but dont be sad America. The Enclave is working tirelessly, to rebuild this great nation, so you dont have to. Until we meet again, this is President Zero, signing off.

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                    • #11
                      Your pie chart isn't even complete, dude...I don't see Cuba in there, and I know they spend at least thirty-six dollars and ninety-eight cents US every year on their military...(mostly for used socks).

                      Also there's a minor (major) flaw in that chart, as we are involved in 2 wars at the moment, so of course our military's budget's gonna be outta proportion. Just had to point that out...

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Drastica View Post
                        Your pie chart isn't even complete, dude...I don't see Cuba in there, and I know they spend at least thirty-six dollars and ninety-eight cents US every year on their military...(mostly for used socks).

                        Also there's a minor (major) flaw in that chart, as we are involved in 2 wars at the moment, so of course our military's budget's gonna be outta proportion. Just had to point that out...
                        Is still is a waste of money.
                        With a infinite number of universes, your life is interesting on one of them.

                        We`ve got to part now, you and I, but dont be sad America. The Enclave is working tirelessly, to rebuild this great nation, so you dont have to. Until we meet again, this is President Zero, signing off.

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                        • #13
                          Maybe the countries who think we should cut our military budget are right.
                          Unfortunately almost every one of those countries belong to treaty organizations who EXPECT us to provide the lions share of personel and supplies for any "policing" required to keep them safe, especially in the western hemisphere. That costs money which we provide, not them.
                          I in no way mean that they can not protect themselves, I am just saying we are bound by treaties and try our best to honor them.

                          @ Zero, I had to lol over your peacewalker pic. That is OK in a game but not IRL? The only one I saw a pic of was the nun.
                          @wysiwyg, If I could I would, right along with a few million others, mostly pointing our armament outward, unless we had to stop fence jumpers.

                          My main point is that it is much cheaper to keep those weapons secure than it is to disassemble them and find a place to store the plutonium which is too dangerous to use for power generation or medical uses.

                          Edit: I just saw a video on CNN(see I do watch more than Fox) purporting that the crazy shrink from Fort Hood frequented anti-american Muslem websites posting both videos and comments. True or not I am glad he didn't get to do the same to personel already in danger overseas.
                          Last edited by bobuild01; 11-06-2009, 07:26 AM.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by bobuild01 View Post
                            Maybe the countries who think we should cut our military budget are right.
                            Unfortunately almost every one of those countries belong to treaty organizations who EXPECT us to provide the lions share of personel and supplies for any "policing" required to keep them safe, especially in the western hemisphere. That costs money which we provide, not them.
                            I in no way mean that they can not protect themselves, I am just saying we are bound by treaties and try our best to honor them.

                            @ Zero, I had to lol over your peacewalker pic. That is OK in a game but not IRL? The only one I saw a pic of was the nun.
                            @wysiwyg, If I could I would, right along with a few million others, mostly pointing our armament outward, unless we had to stop fence jumpers.

                            My main point is that it is much cheaper to keep those weapons secure than it is to disassemble them and find a place to store the plutonium which is too dangerous to use for power generation or medical uses.

                            Edit: I just saw a video on CNN(see I do watch more than Fox) purporting that the crazy shrink from Fort Hood frequented anti-american Muslem websites posting both videos and comments. True or not I am glad he didn't get to do the same to personel already in danger overseas.
                            No one expect you guys to do anything. At all. Is a occupation, a invasion if you want. Which threatens their national sovereignity.

                            That idea is bollocks. Obviously you are another friggin right wing pundit.

                            GTFO
                            With a infinite number of universes, your life is interesting on one of them.

                            We`ve got to part now, you and I, but dont be sad America. The Enclave is working tirelessly, to rebuild this great nation, so you dont have to. Until we meet again, this is President Zero, signing off.

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                            • #15
                              Right wing, left wing, does not make any difference. Sad story is both need at least some form or military to keep a somewhat even balance in the real world.
                              Is true NATO is an alliance to keep the peace (at least that was it original purpose). But does not mention anywhere the US should police the world, thats something you guys invented yourselves due to the cold war McCarthy (i think that was his name) communism hunt.
                              Bottom line, any self supporting country should have a military for self defence. Comes in handy with natural disasters and the likes too.

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